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Old 05-11-2012, 02:02 PM   #1
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Default Sophie on vacation with us...out of the question?

After seeing those incredible pics of Simba and Oscar I'm getting the travel bug again. My son is saving towards Thailand next year to stay with inlaws...I'd love to meet them too but was thinking perhaps instead getting away with hubby instead. We haven't been away together for a long time.

I was just researching a bit and see if your medical papers are in order there's no quarentine for dogs. So far so good...now the BIG question...from what I'm reading so far on the "Dangerous Dogs" exception...Staffordshires yes but definitely not "American Staffordshire" or "Pit Bull". I'm toadly befuddled, how do they determine what your dog is exactly?

Is it just at the discretion of the airport officials when you land? " You over there, step this way we have to check out that dog, look at those eyes...yes off with it's head!". If you don't have breed papers...would an American vet be able to write some kind of official statement of what Sophie is if she isn't exactly a documented breed? Is she too big to pass as a regular Stafforshire? Is traveling with her to the UK out of the question??? This is gonna take some research but I've got time to plan...
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Old 05-11-2012, 02:26 PM   #2
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katydid, I'm not sure for dogs, but I did own a cattery years ago. Before I shipped a cat or kitten, it had to be vetted. There were forms that the vet had to fill out. Age, sex, breed, etc. Thing have probably changed from way back when, but any airline should be able answer your question. I'm pretty sure it's not just bully breeds that aren't allowed to fly. Breeds that have known breathing issues, aren't allowed to fly either. Most airlines will not allow pets to fly in extreme heat or cold. Remember, they are in the cargo hold.

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Oy, that they don't have breed bans on cats...unless they're part pit bull of course. It looks so far like anything deemed a fighting dog isn't allowed...perhaps easier to just leave her with friends in any case? I don't know. We have a wedding to go to next month so we can see how she does just overnight. I'll leave one of my shirts for her to sleep with, jeez my human kids didn't have separation issues anywhere near this dawg...
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If you can leave her with friends, or at least have someone you trust come to your house to pet sit, would probably be best. It is so much less stressful for your dog. I do a lot of pet sitting for my neighbors. My one neighbor has four dogs, and there is no way she could afford to board them all. They only go away for long weekends, and I really don't mind.

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Uk is probably out of the question unless they have changed their rules. They require quarantine from any country where there is rabies as far as I know, even with papers (they might of changed it last time I looked was 6 years ago). In Sweden you can bring the dog in without quarantine but ONLY if you send a blood sample from the dog with the dogs ID through the vet and that get approved by the Swedish agriculture department. I do not know if UK have something similar. Your dog looks nothing like an American staff nor an English staff, even if she's part of it which I doubt. So the UK would be dangerous territory for you. I would stay away from there if I were you. I am not sure they would approve vet issued paper, they might wanna see a DNA test or real pedigree.

Try Sweden if you want a European country that is easier, well mannered dogs are usually welcome in restaurants in the sitting outside area if you ask nicely. You can bring them on buses/subs/trains as well. As long as shes on a leash and well behaved there's no issues at all.

the dogs have to sit in the back of the bus with their owners, and on the trains and subs you have marked cars which are dog allowed. Usually every other car. Easy enough

Switzerland is also extremely well know for dog friendliness as well, I think they might even have Sweden beat in that area from what I have understood.

However, if I remember right Sophie can be slightly reactive, after a 7 8 h flight and airport, and strangers handling her crate she might blow up as well. Tasha is a very well behaved dog but I heard her howling up to customs when landing in Newark. She was stressed out and there's not much getting to her I can tell you that much. So since Sophie has a little bit of insecurity going Id prolly leave her at home. Cause if she turns reactive you will be turned away from all public places, hotels etc and asked to leave. So her stress levels is likely to put in mind as well.
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Yeah, I don't think my baby is easygoing enough for everything traveling really entails. ..I can just imagine the paging with ungodly howls in the background..." Will passenger xyz please return to the desk, your dog is having a complete breakdown".

Any helpful hints for the friend who is watching her overnight? They have a ridgeback who gets along well with Soph but is more standoffish with people. While Maggie enjoys a good scratching she usually lays out on her couch watching the room.

Sophie needs a lap or at the very least someone's feet to lay next to at all times. My friends partner is a big guy but 60 pounds of lap dog is a little uncomfortable if you're not used to it. I guess it's like leaving your human kids with a sitter, you just have to hope for the best and know they'll work it out somehow.
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If your friends are willing to dog sit, then I'm sure they will take good care of her. I know when I dog sit, I act as if the dogs belong to me. So I make sure I play with them outside, and have some fun.

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Yeah, I don't think my baby is easygoing enough for everything traveling really entails. ..I can just imagine the paging with ungodly howls in the background..." Will passenger xyz please return to the desk, your dog is having a complete breakdown".
You never know what's going to happen when you fly with a dog. Some years ago my sister flew with her German Shepherd, who was very large and very aggressive toward strangers (he was in pain). When she claimed the dog after she'd landed we discovered someone had taken him out of the cage at some point and redone the bedding so the cage would stand on its side (presumably so it would fit better in the cargo compartment), and we both broke out in a cold sweat at the sight. Whoever did it could have wound up having a very bad day...

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If you're just looking for a vacation time that's 'get away from it all at home' as opposed to travelling internationally to a vacation destination, you might want to look into renting an RV and doing some travelling. There's a whole continent out there to see....

Travelling with a dog even domestically can be somewhat problematic. If you stay in hotels/motels, most won't allow you to leave an animal unattended in your room (think about going out for dinner!) Some charge mega bucks on top of their room rates for 'pet deposits', etc. etc. Most tourist attractions don't allow dogs and very few of them have 'by the hour' kennels at the gate. Personally, I'd question the wisdom of leaving a dog in some of the facilities that ARE provided and of course, leaving a dog in a car while you're in an attraction is, at the least, not recommended, and in some states against the law.

If you're absolutely intent on travelling internationally, then I would really recommend leaving the dog either kennelled or with a live in sitter.

I travelled widely throughout the US for over 3 decades and found that using a camper van/RV to absolutely be the way to go.

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Hi, I flew Billy back from the USA to the UK nearly 3 years ago. To start you will need a minimum of 6 months to get prepared. I think the UK DEFRA site would be your best bet to find out what is required and what pets can travel. We flew with British Airways from LAX to London Heathrow, And yes I worried the whole time that Billy was aboard the plane.
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