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Old 05-16-2007, 12:39 PM   #1
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Default Kennel Club papers? important or not?

Hi all, this is my first post.
I'm about to get my first boxer puppy. It comes with all the extras, insurance, KC registered, first jabs etc - all this costs 600 - quite normal from the research I have done.
By chance I've seen an advert for boxer pups a lot cheaper but without papers - the ad says "but mum & dad can be seen."
I wouldnt normally give this a second thought, but the pics of these pups is exactly what I was looking for in the first place, and decided to take on a bitch instead.
Am I safer to stick with the KC reg pup, or does it really matter??

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Old 05-16-2007, 12:43 PM   #2
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Hello and welcome to the forum. Great to have you with us. I hope you'll post lots of pics of your pup when you choose one.

Papers don't mean a thing unless you plan to show or breed them. And, just because there are papers doesn't mean the dogs have been properly health tested & cleared either. I suggest you find out the testing that is commonly done on Boxers & find out if your breeder has performed those tests & use that as a criteria instead of papers.

Owwwww, I do love boxers! So, I hope you'll let us meet your new pup & hear all about your adventures together.

Editing: Oooops, sorry, I didn't mean testing on boxer "pups" ... I meant testing of the parents of the dogs (and their grandparents too). Sorry, that just rolled off my fingers but that wasn't what I meant at all.
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Hi Punch and

I suspect that most of the responses you will get will be that if mum & dad are on the premises, that this is a BAD sign, since typically very good breeders are not likely to own both a breeding quality bitch and stud. But I should leave that to those more knowledgable and stick to the welcomes!

My personal opinion is that health clearances (such as for eyes, hips etc) are more important than papers, but a quality breeder should routinely have both.

Good luck!
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Well if you got it form a reputable breeder then the papers are important. It shows that the dog does not have any out of standard, or diseased parents. Those boxers "without papers" Could have all sorts of health problems that nobody would know about and they would pass them onto the pus. But even with papers make sure the BOTH that parents have had and passed health tests. ok?
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Sadly enough,AKC papers doesn't mean that the parents or puppies are healthy or up to standard.
The only way to know,is if the parents and grand-parents were OFA x-rayed and for conformation,if they were shown.
If you want a boxer,just as a pet,than go for what you want.
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If I were you I would definately get the one for 600, because they cound like the more responsible breeder.

Do you know about the health testing requirements of the boxer? Go onto the Kennel club website and look under the 'accredited breeder scheme' for details of health screening requirements for different breeds? Pleeeeeease take this seriously, because it will be your heart broken at the end of the day, if you find yourself with a dog with a serious inherited condition. I think that boxers have heart probs, and that RESPONSIBLE breeders only breed from heart tested parents, but you'll have to look that up. This is a very big decision for you and im very jelous coz i love boxers! but pleeeease dont buy coz u found one ready now/cheaper/near you, its worth waiting for the right puppy.
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here are just a few links

http://www.ukboxerdogs.co.uk/iandi.html
http://www.dogclub.co.uk/dogs/profile-boxe.php
http://www.boxerbreedcouncil.co.uk/index.htm
http://www.boxerbreedcouncil.co.uk/as.htm

i was looking at this site the other day breifly, they heart test, and they look gorgeous!! They have lists of pups available form their stud dogs, and i see health testing, have a look, the dogs really are lovely!
http://dibridboxers.co.uk/

I'd definately say get a registered pup, from people who know what they're doing
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Make sure you SEE the results. Anyone can tell you their dog has been holtered, echo'd, penhipped, etc.
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The denial of papers could be for any number of reasons. The first one is there is no guarrentee that the parents are pure bred'. Secondly- if the breeder has had violations and banned for bad registrations- papers can be withheld.
While its true that papers do not insure a healthy pup, it is an indicator that the dog is probably pure bred. I say "probably" because a breeder can say ( by just their word) that dog A was bred to Dog B..
NO offense- but this sounds fishy to me.. Why no papers? Banned owner from the club in registration, or that the sire or dam wont sign off on the papers- leading a question of parentage etc.. Additionaly they own both parents- so one of their dogs is not registered if not both.. And why???
Having both parents on site doesnt mean much except that they are owned by the same person. .. That is not what alarms me.. the lack of papers does.. Why?... And I would think that having proof of genetic is another question. While some breeds have less genetic problems than others- pets or not- the fact is at even if a pet, knowing that genetic testings on the parents, grandparents etc at least gives you a better chance in having a pup that wont live in pain from hip problems etc..

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It is not imperative that you have KC Registration if you are not going to show, but like Katlovesdogs and Borzoimom I would be very wary and very suspicious of taking on a puppy from a breeder who has for whatever reason/s not registered the litter. Boxers have heart problems and both parentsnshould have been health tested prior to mating to make sure the pups are as healthy as possible. My cousin breds boxers and I know she has all the relvant health checks carried out before mating her buitch and she ensures that the stud dog has also been tested as would any reputable breeder no matter what the breed. If I were you I would stick with the puppy that comes with the papers. In my opinion a being an accredited breeder does not count for much but being a reputable breeder does. and btw welcome to the forum from me and my Gang.
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