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Old 04-08-2007, 11:53 PM   #1
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Unhappy Housebreaking - puppy doesnt like going for walks

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just got a 10 week old german shepherd puppy yesterday. The first thing i want to do is housebreak her so she can stay inside. Right now i'm keeping her on the balcony a lot which i hate doing. I live in southern california so its not too cold for her out there, but i still hate it.

I have a problem though. She really seems to hate going for walks. When ever i take her down stairs, she's usually just pulling on the leash to go back inside. (on the plus side after a day she already knows basically where my apartment is). She's made some progress - initially she hated being on the leash and for some reason would refuse to either go through the door into my apartment or go through it to go out. she's gotten over that mostly. But i cant get her to go for a walk and more importantly, i cant get her to go to the bathroom outside.

Very often as soon as we come back inside, she'll go pee somewhere. So it's really frustrating since it seems like she specifically wants to pee on the rug and not on the grass.

I'm pretty sure she has some bladder/bowel control, because a lot of the time she seems to purpose wait until i let her in from the balcony and then she'll go on the rug somewhere.

I'm ordering a crate for her which i will hopefully have in the next few days. I really hate leaving her outside but i dont have any choice until she's at least willing to go outside. Hopefully the crate will give me a little more control. But it seems like the balcony is already working like a crate since she tries not to do anything out there - i just cant get her to do anything outside. Its like she wants to go on the carpet.

Can anyone offer me any suggestions?

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Old 04-09-2007, 12:17 AM   #2
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Hello and welcome to the forum. Great to have you with us & congratulations on your new family member!

Have you considered getting a large box so she can be indoors with you?

I'd try coaxing your pup on the leash with treats until she comes along with you readily. Make sure you use lots of praise to let her know she's doing well. Everything about the leash should be a happy thing & do whatever it takes to make her want to go with you.

I don't believe puppies have the physical capability to "hold it" until they're 12 weeks of age, so I don't think she's waiting until she can get to the carpet. At this age, she needs to go out about every 1-1/2 hours. For the time being, I'd pick her up & take her outside your door & then lead her along with treats.

I'd get an enzymatic cleaner for the carpets which will remove the smell & remove the "invitation" to choose the same spot.

Only correct the pup with a firm "NO" if you actually catch her in the act. Anything beyond a second or two after the fact is wasted effort as she won't make the association.

Good luck with your new pup. Please post some pics when you can. We love puppy pics!
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Old 04-09-2007, 04:07 AM   #3
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i dont want to be argumentative, but to me it really does seem like she has some control. Its not perfect, but the impression i am getting is that she doesnt want to mess up the balcony, probably because thats where her bed is. And she's probably never been indoors before. So i to her i think she thinks of the balcony as home, and indoors as not home.

I'm just puzzles as to why she seems so reluctant to go for walks.

I actually tried your suggestion earlier today, using treats. I didnt seem to have too much success with that. She didn't seem too interested in them. But i'll give it a try again.

Would I be better off walking her somewhere that other dogs have gone, or should i take her to a clean spot?

Although tonight she was somewhat conflicted - she couldnt decide if she wanted to sleep outside or in.

When you suggest a large box, you mean one of those pet carrier crates?

thanks for the advice

Oh, and for pics, go here: www.imerk.net/puppy

I'll be uploading some more later.

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Old 04-09-2007, 07:24 AM   #4
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Hi Merk and


Housebreaking questions come up a LOT. At 12 weeks your pup will have only limited bladder / bowel control. Not sure what else is going on with her not liking walks outdoors. Is it noisy where you live? Maybe she is scared?

At any rate, perhaps there is some valuable info here that will help. If not keep posting details and we can help you get to the bottom of it!
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Hi Merk, welcome to the forum.

I know what you mean about your puppy being able to control her bladder. As we found with Amber that she was able to control it to a certain extent. Having the crate also works wonders!

In my experience patience is the key, and your puppy will be able to sense your energy. I agree with katz, lots of treats work, this is what helped us with Amber, once we got the treats out she'd pee & do her stools outside all the time.

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well one ray of hope this morning. I woke up and fed her. And at one point she walked back out onto the balcony and pee'ed on the training pads and then came back in. I've read that its better to house break them without the use of the pads, but is she'll go out on the balcony on the pads, i'll take it.

Unfortunately i was fast enough putting my shoes on. I wanted to take her for a walk since i figured she'd want to poo as well. And she did. I had her on the balcony while i was putting my shoes on...and well...she was faster then i was. But at least she again went on the pads.

So i think i'm starting to get a hang on her schedule. She did pee in the middle of the night at some point (on the pads again). So that would be one hiccup. But i think if i feed her and am ready to take her for a walk the instant she is done eating, maybe with some luck i can get her to go outside.

Later today i think i'll try letting her stay inside and i'll leave the door to the balcony open, along with putting some pads down in a corner of the kitchen. Although, maybe i shouldnt do that. Since then she might think its ok to go inside the apartment. Think i should just leave pads on the balcony?

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Boy if it ain't broke I would not try to fix it!
Dogs can smell a whole lot better than they can see, so your pup knows where to go because she has already been there before. If you leave the pads out onthe balcony, she will go there.
If you take used pads (gross, I know) and put them in your kitchen, she will know that it is "ok" to go there. If you put fresh pads down she may or may not go (the fresh pads will smell the same as the fresh pads she went on outside).
Almost always letting the dog pee inside causes headaches for the owner when they decide later on that they want the dog to go only outside. Thes confuses the heck out of the dog ('it was ok before, what is the big deal now??')
What ends up happening is that if someone has used those pads, they out them somewhere outside to 'prime the pump" so to speak and get the dog to udnerstand that outside is the place to go.
Personally I think the best chance of long-term success is to bite the bullet and take puppy out every two hours and hire a marching band for when she does her thing outside. Gradually you can extend it to three hours, four hours etc. But for now you gotta get up in the middle of the night. Sorry, it's kind of like having a human baby except these fourlegged ones don't wear diapers. (I know, they can but I wouldn't go there!)
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Well i wont be able to take her out every 2 hours all the time since i wont be home all the time. But over the weekend thats sorta what i was doing. Although by sunday i was getting a little discouraged since she was so unwilling to go for a walk.

But i'm going to try again using more treats. And I'll bring down one of her used pads. Man...didnt think i'd be carrying around a bag of pee with me

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Maybe it would help if you get to the bottom of why she doesn't seem to like going for a walk. What kind of area do you live in? Loud noises? Gravel hurts her paws? Scary dogs or people that she is afraid of?
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Thats just it, i cant see anything that would cause her to dislike going for walks. I live in an apartment complex. So she generally is walking on pavement or grass or dirty. She doesnt seem to be in any pain. There isnt a lot of car traffic, and even when car does go by, she just generally sits and watches it. She doesnt really react to it. With people, she usually watches them and if they react to her at all, then she wants to go say hello.

She does seem to want to avoid any dogs but not to an extreme degree.

Next time i'll take some treats, and I'll take a toy as well and try to make it a little more fun for her.

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