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Old 02-27-2007, 02:50 PM   #1
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Question How to find a stud for my Schnauzer.

Let me start by saying that I have read numerous posts on "Backyard Breeders." It is my understanding that some of the major issues with these breeders are: They are often not AKC or ACC certified , they aren't prepaired for the time and finacial committment of breeding , they don't have adequate space for breeding , etc.

My wife and I have a Mini Schnauzer, AKC certified. My mother-in-law and my wife has breed a pitbull before, it had complications, but because of their dedication, all 9 pups lived. Nonetheless, this is our first time breeding, and our first time breeding a Schnauzer. I was hoping to get some advice along the way.

My current dillema is how to find a good stud, I know what to look for as far as coat, pedigree, body dimensions, temperment, and stance. So i know what to look for, but I don't know where to look?! Is there a online stud listing, or should I just put an add in the local paper? Any tips or advice would be appreciated. Thank You.

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Old 02-27-2007, 02:55 PM   #2
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They are often not AKC or ACC certified
That is actually not true. A lot of back yard breeders do get those type of certifications. Here is a link I like about the differences of a byb and reputable breeder. http://www.jlhweb.net/Boxermap/reputablebreeder.html

There are certain genetic health tests that you need to have for your dog before you decide to breed. Goes the same for the "stud". Im not certain of these health tests, im sure someone who does can post them for you.

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Old 02-27-2007, 03:03 PM   #3
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Hi Daddyphats, and welcome!

As far as the concerns about breeding go, I think you don't quite have the bit right about "AKC certified", since the AKC does not "certify" breeders. All the AKC does is to keep records of who gave brith to whom and who was the daddy. Kind of like a canine geneological registry. So if by "certified" you mean the dog has papers that that does not mean very much since even "crummy" purebreds have them too. It would mean something if the dog had some kind of title, be it in obedience, agility, etc.

But one of the larger concerns is health testing. Since dogs depend on us for medical care it kind of obligates us to so our best to make sure that only healthy dogs are born. This means not only testing hips and eyes in the dogs you want to breed, but keeping track of any diseases that may be running in the family so to speak. OFA and CERF are the registries for the hips and eyes.
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Old 02-27-2007, 03:17 PM   #4
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Let me ask the question this way: Is it possible then for an average dog owner to become a good breeder? My understanding at this point is yes. This is because I am looking at it as a good parent needs to know the health issues and how to raise a healthy child but may not neccessarly need to own a hospital. But maybe I'm wrong in this, perhaps the role of the breeder is that, both parent and doctor...

Ok, then I can take that approach. I will look into getting our bitch OFA and CERF approved, I can also look further into the health status of her parents. What other steps can i take? Does anyone know of a good web resource or book for beginning breeders? And my first question still stands: Where do i find a stud?

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Old 02-27-2007, 03:22 PM   #5
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No one is born a good breeder so there must be some way for an average dog owner to become one.

And no, you don't have to be a doctor, but maybe a midwife. We humans tend to think of our animals as a product of nature who do not need our intervention for things like giving birth. I personally would not touch it after hearing the horror stories of what can go wrong when a bitch gives birth to pups.

Not sure how to help you find a stud-you want to make sure it is the healthiest possible specimen. Someone with more experience on this topic will surely be along to provide more specifics.
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Thanks for the advice. I briefly looked into OFA and CERF. Correct me if I'm wrong, OFA is for hips and elbows, and CERF is for eyes. Anyone actually get these certs on their dogs? It seems I could bring an application to a local vet and have the pet cert the dog and send it off to the registry... for a fee. The OFA and CERF fees are online. Anyone know what a vet usually charges on their end? Thanks again, nice to have a pool of knowledgable dog owners.

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Maybe just take a look at this:
http://www.woodhavenlabs.com/breeding/breeder2.html

Also, are you willing to keep all pups if no one buys? Are you willing to have them wormed and have puppy shots before sending them to their new homes? Will you screen potential adopters? Will you take back a dog you sold in 11 years when the adopter can no longer pay for health? Do you plan on breeding just this once, or are you seriously considering this, not just wanting to BYB?

Sorry for the third degree, but it's all things that must be considered. If you don't show your Schnauzer, you might not be ready. Earning places in shows says that your dog does fit the breed standard. And if you plan to breed, you should find some fellow dog breeders competing in conformation and talk to them.

http://dogbreedinfo.com/showdogs/bre...eproducing.htm

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Sorry for the third degree, but it's all things that must be considered. If you don't show your Schnauzer, you might not be ready. Earning places in shows says that your dog does fit the breed standard. And if you plan to breed, you should find some fellow dog breeders competing in conformation and talk to them.

http://dogbreedinfo.com/showdogs/bre...eproducing.htm
Great advice above and from the other posters - but I would like to take it a step further.
There is only one good reason for ever breeding a dog - In your case this would be to create better Schnauzers. Better means closer to the breed standard, correct temperment, AND only using animals that have been screened for the life threatening genetic diseases that afflict this breed of dog.
To see if your bitch is of sufficient quality for breeding, you must first show her. The sole reason the show ring exists is for selection of breeding stock - measuring how well potential future parents measure up in construction and in temperament to how their breed is supposed to look and behave.
Few of us are capable of judging our own dogs impartially. That's what the judge is for - a breed expert who has no personal interest in the outcome. And if you don't show, then you should at very least get the opinions of several experienced show breeders.
Testing for genetically inherited disease cannot be bypassed either. Seriously, it can't. If you did so, you would not only be irresponsible, but negligent (imagine being the owner of some pup that costs you thousands in vet bills to deal with some genetically inherited condition that could have been avoided if the moron who bred the dog had only been responsible enough to screen the parents for it - you'd be beyond furious, no?).
So we have established that first your dog needs to be assessed, like in the show ring - which takes some time; time for classes and training; money for handling classes, for a handler if you are not showing her yourself, for show entries, hotel and travel expenses, etc...then you would need to wait and see how she measures up as an adult.
Secondly, you would need to screen your bitch for any genetic diseases that might affect her offspring. I am not too familiar with what genetic diseases afflict the Schnauzer, but in boxers most tests cannot be done until the age of 2. OFA (hips/elbows) will not certify a dog under the age of 24 months, so at this point your bitch is going to be at least 2 years old before you can start looking for a stud. Even then, you have to be prepared for the possibility that she won't make the grade for breeding in the show ring. Most dogs don't. I am not saying this to detour you, but to let you know there is a bigger picture than just health testing.
You will find that if you get involved in the show community, there are plenty of people who are willing to help you learn, but showing and finishing your bitch is where you need to start.
If you are serious, then I would find a local Schnauzer or all breed club to join and attend some shows. Have your dog assessed by some experienced show breeders and spend some time picking their brains, first hand experience is always a plus.
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Old 02-27-2007, 06:41 PM   #9
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Hi and welcome

To find a good stud your bitch needs to be a good specim of her breed and this will show in how well she does at shows and in competitions. This usually then becomes word of mouth amongst other breeders. You may want to ask your breeder for advise to how s/he came about starting up in the world of showing and breeding
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Yeah, IMO. You should not have to search for a good stud. If you bitch is a good rep of her breed Breeders will be offering their males to you! Just a random question how many shows has she been in? Any BOB? or BIS?
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