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Old 12-20-2015, 10:50 PM   #11
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My Golden Doodle puppy, I kept in a pen at night with newspaper down when I got her at 8 weeks old. By the time she was 11 weeks old, she did not go at all during the night. Went outside first thing in the morning and whenever she was not sleeping or stopped playing and has only had a couple of pees in the house when I was not paying attention. She is four months old now and has not had an accident in the house for the past three weeks. She heads for the door when she has to go out. I don't use puppy pads as they always seem to think they are play toys and rip them up.
so you didnt take her out at night when she was 8 weeks? she just went on the paper and by 11 weeks she no longer had to pee at night?
do you think you just 'got lucky' or is this an easier was of doing things? I am prepared to take the puppy out every 2 hrs at night but honestly, who wouldnt want to just sleep all night and let maturity take care of it?

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thank you kaos, that was a very helpful link. my head is spinning right now, I think I will give it another read tomorrow morning.
One question about his chewtoy training technique.... he suggests feeding the puppy solely by hand as lures/rewards or by stuffed chewtoys such as the kong. the rationale makes sense but it seems that the overwhelmingly common advice is not to allow the dog to free feed all day long and that by establishing a set feeding schedule it will be easier to predict the elimination schedule.
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I definitely wouldn't suggest free feeding (ie leaving a bowl of food out permanently). Hand feeding at least some of the daily calories is ideal from a training and relationship perspective, but you are right, a rough schedule is helpful for predicting elimination. I would suggest keeping a small amount always ready to reinforce desired behaviours, and put the remainder in a treat ball or similar food dispensing toy at meal times.

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so you didnt take her out at night when she was 8 weeks? she just went on the paper and by 11 weeks she no longer had to pee at night?
do you think you just 'got lucky' or is this an easier was of doing things? I am prepared to take the puppy out every 2 hrs at night but honestly, who wouldnt want to just sleep all night and let maturity take care of it?
Most 8 week olds can make do with one or a maximum of two trips out at night if you decide not to do the paper thing. Should very quickly be able to do away with one of those trips.

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ama, thanks for explaining that, and I will look up NILIF

big boy, I get it now. thanks.

honestly, preparing for a new puppy is so much more involved than preparing for a new baby. at least with babies, they mature more slowly, less pressure to get it in so soon. diapers take some pressure off too
it sure is exciting though!

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Most 8 week olds can make do with one or a maximum of two trips out at night if you decide not to do the paper thing. Should very quickly be able to do away with one of those trips.

huh. good to know. if we go to bed at 11 and get up at 5, you think one more would be enough? I guess I'll know for sure when I try it..

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huh. good to know. if we go to bed at 11 and get up at 5, you think one more would be enough? I guess I'll know for sure when I try it..
Very likely as long as the pup learns to settle quickly in the crate. If they are distressed and therefore very much awake, it might mean more trips out. Once they get into a regular sleep pattern, you might get away with no trips at night at all since you get up so early.

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honestly, preparing for a new puppy is so much more involved than preparing for a new baby. at least with babies, they mature more slowly, less pressure to get it in so soon. diapers take some pressure off too
it sure is exciting though!
It would be sooooo great if all new puppy owners did their research before pup arrived and were as prepared and organised as you obviously are

Alas you are the exception rather than the rule....

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I agree with not free feeding the golden rule is after 20 mins lift the bowl off the floor a healthy dog wont starve While I stand corrected over the 16 week window just for socialisation I still say get other commands for good behaviour in place at the earliest time where possible it's no use leaving it for a couple of years to bring house rules in to place the sooner the better
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When I got Kris, my Dobe, she was 11 weeks old. I crated her right away and she did go out about once a night for the first couple of weeks, then slept right through. They are all different and I think it also matters how big they are.

I have always free fed my dogs which worked fine with my Shih Tzu x Maltese. They never overeat and maintain their weight well, never had one get fat.

With Kris and Susie, my two big dogs, I have to moniter their food as they tend to eat too much if left on their own. With Bonnie, being a puppy, she needs to eat more often so in order for her to get enough without Kris eating it all, I have had food and water in with her every night and it has not seemed to make it any harder to housebreak her than any of my others. Again, I think it depends on the dog.

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It would be sooooo great if all new puppy owners did their research before pup arrived and were as prepared and organised as you obviously are

Alas you are the exception rather than the rule....

well, I'm just trying to learn from my past mistakes.
I really appreciate all the help and support I'm getting here. you guys are the best!


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