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Old 02-03-2015, 03:48 PM   #1
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Default Started At-home Puppy Training

I have been reading through the training advice on the forum for the past week, and I think we are making progress. Tango (6 month old) now will sit and come on command.

I do have to use the "leashed to my belt loops" method for an hour or two each night until he is calm enough to listen consistently.

The next things that we will be working on is down (for lay down) and stay. Aside from manually laying him down when we say down, and continually placing him back in position when we say stay, is there anything that worked particularly well for you guys?

Also, he is crate trained, but definitely not house trained. He just does not seem to understand the difference between doing it inside and doing it outside. He will squat right in front of me, after we have JUST been out. When I reprimand him for it and take him outside, he looks genuinely puzzled. Aside from saying NO and taking him outside, is there anything else you can do when catching him in the act? I have heard that it doesn't help at all to reprimand unless you catch them right then.

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Can't give advice on 'down' but how often are you taking him outside? How long do you have him out for?

Also, a book I'd recommend for training is 'how to behave so your dog behaves'- its good and explains things well. If you're interesting in reading dog training books.

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We go out twice in the mornings (once when I wake up and once just before I leave for work) and stay out for 5-10 minutes each time. He almost always pees very quickly. In the afternoons, we go out 3 times... once right when I get home, once about 10 minutes after feeding him and once right before bed.

He also has access to a doggy door, later in the night when I unhook him from my belt loop. I am starting to suspect that the doggy door is doing more harm than good.

What is funny, is that I can take him out and he will pee immediately. I bring him back in, and 15 minutes later (while right in front of me) he will squat and either pee or poo. He doesn't seem to have a particular spot or anything, just wherever we happen to be.

Still, it is pretty hard to complain, since he is so well crate trained. We will just need to keep at it I think. I will definitely check out that book!

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With puppies, you have to be ready to grab a puppy and run outside, sometimes every hour for the duration of the entire day. You may not even have time to put shoes on. He can't understand a schedule yet. He will go whenever he needs to go. It's about time for him now, not location.
If he is crate trained that is good. Dogs don't pee in their "dens". The crate is his den. If you can keep him in his crate for the long stretches of time that he has to stay in doors, that will help him understand. In training though, you literally have to pick up a puppy and carry him outside and hope he makes it. His bladder will grow soon and he will be easier to train.
If he is allowed to run in the house AND in the yard, that's easier to deal with. My baby lurcher understood going outside but for the longest time didn't understand why she can pee on the grass but not on the stoop. Outside was outside to her and she just peed anywhere. I used a dog repellent spray and IT HELPED. Now I don't use it at all and she only goes on the grass. I didn't believe in the spray at first, but I had run out of options so I gave it a try. There are many kinds. They look like bug spray. They don't harm the dogs but they do keep them from peeing in a particular area. Never spray the dog den though. That's sacred. But you can spray your hallway for instance. That way the door to the outside will look inviting to him.
Good job on the sit and come command. Stay is next. Down is more difficult because it doesn't actually serve a purpose. A dog sits when he is attentive. He stays when he is waiting for something. It is unnatural for him to lay down while being attentive and patient. It is against his intuitive body language. Laying down is a relaxed position. You can't order someone to be relaxed. At least not when they are a tiny puppy. It's a neat trick if you can teach him that, but I would ask myself "do I really need my dog to perform this?"

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With puppies, you have to be ready to grab a puppy and run outside, sometimes every hour for the duration of the entire day. You may not even have time to put shoes on. He can't understand a schedule yet. He will go whenever he needs to go. It's about time for him now, not location.
If he is crate trained that is good. Dogs don't pee in their "dens". The crate is his den. If you can keep him in his crate for the long stretches of time that he has to stay in doors, that will help him understand. In training though, you literally have to pick up a puppy and carry him outside and hope he makes it. His bladder will grow soon and he will be easier to train.
If he is allowed to run in the house AND in the yard, that's easier to deal with. My baby lurcher understood going outside but for the longest time didn't understand why she can pee on the grass but not on the stoop. Outside was outside to her and she just peed anywhere. I used a dog repellent spray and IT HELPED. Now I don't use it at all and she only goes on the grass. I didn't believe in the spray at first, but I had run out of options so I gave it a try. There are many kinds. They look like bug spray. They don't harm the dogs but they do keep them from peeing in a particular area. Never spray the dog den though. That's sacred. But you can spray your hallway for instance. That way the door to the outside will look inviting to him.
Good job on the sit and come command. Stay is next. Down is more difficult because it doesn't actually serve a purpose. A dog sits when he is attentive. He stays when he is waiting for something. It is unnatural for him to lay down while being attentive and patient. It is against his intuitive body language. Laying down is a relaxed position. You can't order someone to be relaxed. At least not when they are a tiny puppy. It's a neat trick if you can teach him that, but I would ask myself "do I really need my dog to perform this?"
Totaly agree with the the potty training tips you have given Will add no need to to make a fuss telling the puppy off he/she will not understand so best say nothing look for the signs this could include
nose to the floor sniffing and circling around etc etc grab the puppy
and stay 'outside' till they pee/poop and then go OTT with praise and treat with either a tasty treat or play time etc,etc.

regarding Laydown I think it's important to teach a dog this you said yourself laying down is relaxed posistion and it's fairly easy to reach this
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I agree, it's a neat trick to teach your dog to lay down. That wasn't the argument. The argument was that it's tricky to get a puppy to abbey the command "down". A command by it's very nature has the dog alert, so commanding someone to relax is very difficult to accomplish. My only point is that there shouldn't be a rush on this particular accomplishment. It doesn't actually matter if he can obey the "down" command right now. He can learn it later on when he is more mature, more "dogly". Small steps. He is not even potty trained yet. The down command is too advanced for the moment in my opinion. That's all.
He seems like a smart puppy though. He knows "sit" and "come" already. He'll learn "down" as well. All in good time. I couldn't sit still in class until i was a teenager. It's hard for a puppy. hehehehehe

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Other good commands are a good solid 'leave it' Puppies are known for investigating things while this bit is ok there are things you don't want your puppy to eat/pick up for eg: when out on a walk discarded food containers on the pavement broken glass etc,etc and in the house too there are things should be avoided too. This command is what I call a life saving command it's a good command to teach Re the stay command this has a lot of usefull points and would add in the house have a 'place' area like a large mat in the living room (which I have) so when I am eating my food my dog is not pestering me for food or slobbering over me. and is also usefull for whn people call round and again this works well! As with any training to be succesful, being repetitive and consistant are the keys to success. Good luck!!!
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Other good commands are a good solid 'leave it' Puppies are known for investigating things while this bit is ok there are things you don't want your puppy to eat/pick up for eg: when out on a walk discarded food containers on the pavement broken glass etc,etc and in the house too there are things should be avoided too. This command is what I call a life saving command it's a good command to teach Re the stay command this has a lot of usefull points and would add in the house have a 'place' area like a large mat in the living room (which I have) so when I am eating my food my dog is not pestering me for food or slobbering over me. and is also usefull for whn people call round and again this works well! As with any training to be succesful, being repetitive and consistant are the keys to success. Good luck!!!
I absolutely agree. Very good points.

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I also use none verbal commands as 'follow' through commands like say when I am giving a treat I will say leave it then put 3 fingers up in the air
drop one finger, then the second finger will drop the final one doesn't necessarily drop straight away it may be 10 secs may be less,maybe more it keeps my dog focused. what i tend to do now (as she is no longer a puppy) she is really focused I still use 3 fingers but all 3 fingers drop at once and at the same time only do I go back
to 3/2/1 when she loses the focus on me which is very rare now she has learned really well to stay focused so is rewarded by not having to go through the 3/2/1 count down I didn't find this in any book but it just came in my head many years ago! Put the effort and as a dog owner you will be rewarded 10 fold
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I agree, it's a neat trick to teach your dog to lay down. That wasn't the argument. The argument was that it's tricky to get a puppy to abbey the command "down". A command by it's very nature has the dog alert, so commanding someone to relax is very difficult to accomplish. My only point is that there shouldn't be a rush on this particular accomplishment. It doesn't actually matter if he can obey the "down" command right now. He can learn it later on when he is more mature, more "dogly". Small steps. He is not even potty trained yet. The down command is too advanced for the moment in my opinion. That's all.
He seems like a smart puppy though. He knows "sit" and "come" already. He'll learn "down" as well. All in good time. I couldn't sit still in class until i was a teenager. It's hard for a puppy. hehehehehe
100% small baby steps right now and concerntrate on the potty training and get that done and dusted!!!
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