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Old 07-09-2013, 08:29 AM   #1
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Default New Brittany - biting and crate issues

Hello, everyone. New to the forum with my new (almost 8 week old) Brittany pup. He's been a great puppy so far, with both new people and being easily house trained. He has only recently gone to the bathroom inside, and it was my fault for not letting him stay outside long enough. He is excellent so far in his training. I have been following a lot of YouTube's kikopup for starting training, working with the clicker and training him to always rely on me to give him the treat,etc. He follows my hand as a lure pretty well, though he occasionally paws at it or gets bored. I've been using some chicken that I boiled and shredded for much of training and he seems to love it.

This issue isn't with his training,because he is pretty well behaved during these sessions, but more with every other moment with him. Whenever he is free to play he always seems to just want to bite my arm/hand/foot. And I mean bite hard for a puppy! In the first few days I was able to sort of hold him and pet him where he couldn't reach me with his mouth and he calmed down,but now the petting seems to only make him more determined to bite my hand or arm. I know part of the issue is I haven't fully conveyed what he SHOULD be doing. I guess I want him to be sitting on the couch or floor chewing on his bone or toy, or laying either by himself or next to me as he calmly relaxes. One issue may be that I haven't found a toy that holds his solo attention for long. He likes playing tug of war or following a big ball as I bounce it, but quickly become bored when left solo and starts to chew on furniture, wander, dig at the carpet, chew my feet, etc.

The second issue is his crate. Usually when he starts biting I try to end the game right away and settle him down.I have been very much unsuccessful in this, because I can't find a good way for him to sit alone. So I've been just taking him to his kennel when things get out of hand. He does alright in his kennel in terms of not going to the bathroom or tearing up his bed, but right when I out him in he starts to go crazy: clawing at the door, crying bloody murder, barking, etc. When the door is open hes fine and will even sometimes sit in there, but close it and he freaks out. I'm not positive the best way to get him to love his kennel, though this is what I plan on working on with him after work.

I am also going by to get maybe a rawhide or something he can chew up when I get off work, which may fix a lot if the issues. My biggest concern is that this routine is doing a lot of harm both to the way he interacts with being petted and to his psyche with regards to his kennel and general anxiety. The fix is with my routine because, play until he gets out of hand, put him in his kennel for 45 minutes with the first 5 of those being intensely anxious,then taking him for a walk or something only to start the cycle over again whenever we sit back down, is not going to be fixing any issues.

Also, he cries at night whenever I first out him in the kennel and whenever he wakes up and hears me moving,though the middle of the night usually isn't as intense and I have been taking him out when I hear him beginning to move, he then cries very loudly again when I put him back in his kennel. I take him on 2-3 leash walks during the day and often let him play in the yard so he can run around, so I would think he's getting enough physical stimulus, and hopefully enough men tall stimulus from 2-3 training sessions during the day. His stool is a little runny about half the time, so I even wonder if this could be contributing to anxiety, but chicken is the best treat I have found for training, so I'm hoping to stick with this for a couple days and see if his stool becomes more solid.

I know he is a puppy and little things like mouthing are going to be an issue, but I just know that I am not doing him right and that it is going to become a much bigger issue if the routine continues to go in the way it is headed now.

Sorry for the wall of text, but hopefully I've mentioned what I need for people to be able to relate the the situation. Thanks for any help that you may be able to provide!

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Hi zachsmthsn and abord to Df Hey I had a puppy to who is now 6 years old. So mouthing was also a issue and is normal behaviour in a puppy Painful yes! Any way the best thing here is when your pup mouths/bites let out a yelp as the other litter m8's would do this should give a clear signal to the pup that it is NOT acceptable behaviour and everything will stop wether it's play time or cuddle time. so if sya the pup is on your lap as soon as he mouths/bites you yelp and put the pup on the floor say nothing else no eye contact, no touching, nowt a big fat '0' Do this each and everytime he mouths/bites! Also redirection techniques helps s as soon as he starts the unwanted behaviour redirect this behaviour to a chew toy,ball, etc!! He will
soon 'associate' that chewing on a toy etc will get rewards (which doesn't have to be food it could be extra play time or cuddles etc) and always use plenty of praise and fuss when he does't mouth/bite How long have you had him?

Re: the crying again, it's normal behaviour in a puppy Here's what I did (as recommended in the puppy hand book I go from my breeder) put in his sleeping area a old 'T' shirt wth your body scent on it and out that on top of his bedding and unerneath put a ticking clock this will resemble his mother's hearbeat and the scent on a old 'T' shirt will resemble his mother's scent! it
does work Stay consistant and repetious throughout any training as these are
the 'keys' to success! Has he had any vaccinations and had wormng treatments? Good luck and let us know how you get on
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I've had I'm for 10 days or so. He had his puppy shots and was dewormed the day I got him. He should be going by the vet here in the next week or so. I actually used him in a marriage proposal actually, and am now training him for my fiancée to take him. Adorable I know... How can you say no to a puppy?

With the biting, it seems more than just mouthing and often time seems mean. He has started growling as he's biting and showing somewhat aggressive tendencies. When he plays with his toys he also like to pull quite hard and shake his head around with his toy in his mouth. This of course translates to him doing the same to the corner of the couch as he tries to eat it. Ha. Whenever he bites me I yipe and set him down, but he honestly seems to pay no regard to my yiping. He just growls at me then starts chewing on the couch where I'm sitting or trying to jump up to eat my feet. Hopefully these won't turn into aggressive acts.

Last night he did pretty well in his kennel, though I still don't think its about the loneliness so much as the confinement. That being said though, I sat down there and petted him in his kennel for awhile until he settled and eventually lay down, but he still began crying bloody murder when I closed the door. By staying down there I was able to keep him somewhat quiet, and eventually he gave up and begrudgingly lay down in the back of his kennel. I hope that if I keep treating him and associating his kennel with good things like pig ears during the day he will eventually do much better with it.

Another thing about the crate, he usually wakes up around 5 and I take him out, but he is not at all interested in going back to sleep after. And I am... So I still have not figured out the best way to give him some free reign to move around and play without destroying the house. Maybe j should get a little puppy pen,but those can be pricey for what they are. I wish I could just put him back in his kennel, but if he isnt tired he'll whine like a coon dog for a good 30 minutes, which is a bad thing for an apartment...

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None of the problems will go away over night it will take time and patience! Believe you me I have been through the puppy stage my self and at times I thought it's not going to end but it did The growling during play may actually just be a happy growl and not agression. Shaking a toy in his mouth is pretty normal for terrier type breeds ( known for this ) Other breeds do this too! When you let a noise out if he mouths/bites you it must be a high pitched yelp and just totaly ignore the puppy each and every time this happens and walk away! Remember dogs use association in their thinking etc.

Re: Crateing you need to close the crate door for a few seconds then open it again and gradually build up the length of time the door is shut (over a period of time) when he doesn't whine praise lavishly and treat with a tasty treat you could also place a few treats in the crate too to help the association with the crate as being a fun place to be No one says it's easy bringing up a puppy but it can be very rewarding if you put the time and effort in. Thanks for the update
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So you are training him for your fiancee? And she will be taking over the care/training of him? Is his name Brittany or is that the breed?? And any pics to share?
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