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Old 11-13-2006, 11:19 AM   #1
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Hi. i'm Jean, I am new to the site and would appreciate some views.
Our beloved boxer Angus died 14 months ago, aged 9, it has taken until now for us to feel ready for another dog. Angus was such a lovely dog, loved by everyone who knew him, so we decided that we were going to go for another boxer.
Well we brought home our new addition just over 2 weeks ago, Lori ( a bitch ) is beautiful,very affectionate, intelligent and a little minx. There are 3 of us at home, my husband & daughter go out to work but i am at home during the day.
It is 10 years since we last had a pup in the house and training methods have changed, so some advise would be helpful.
We bought a crate and have made it really cosy and Lori will happily enter it herself when she is tired ( if she falls asleep somewhere else she will often rouse herself and go into her den ) we lock the door on it when she enters, as well as helping her to get used to being locked in it also gives us a few seconds warning when she wakes up so that we can be ready to take her out to the toilet. ( we are still having accidents of course but Lori does now go to the door when she wants the toilet ) so far so good, but we do have 2 problems.
The crate is in the living area and from day 1 we have taken turns to sleep on a camp bed so that we were there for toilet calls during the night without disturbing everyone else, what i'm wondering is have we made a rod for our own backs, or am i being too impatient hankering after my own bed, how long do you think we will have to keep this up?
Secondly, i am trying to get Lori used to the crate when she isn't asleep so that we can leave her in there if we go out as well as overnight, once a day after she has had a play i will put her in her den with a fish paste filled Kong and a chewy bone, i will then sit quietly nearby, she will lick out the contents of the Kong, then she will have a little whimper then she goes mad barking, howling, biting the cage and pushing against it, i don't let her out until she quietens but it is very upsetting, i can't do it while my husband is at home as he is a soft touch and would have her out at the first whimper. I have gone out a couple of times but timed it so that someone would be in with her within half an hour of me going out. We have checked with the neighbours who have said that she didn't stop barking, she had also managed to move the crate a short distance across the floor. she is only ten weeks old! do we persevere or do we give up and hope that she doesn't chew the house to pieces while we are out.
I have been taking her out in a carry bag to socialise her, but once she is able to go down she will be given plenty of exercise.

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Old 11-13-2006, 01:05 PM   #2
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Hi jean..Welcome to the forum
I am sorry about the loss of your boxer...
Was Angus crate trained also? I cannot give much advise about the crate training...I am a softy too...and just cannot bear to see them caged. When my dog was a pup we gave him the kitchen and blocked it as his area until he was house broken...which happened rather quickly around 3 & 1/2 months. I too am home all day...and I have to admitt I made alot of trips outside. Lori is young still at 10 weeks and just doesn't have control of her bladder....but she is letting you know when she needs to go...great for a 10 week old. When my was in "training" I would set the alarm for 3am then 4am to get up and let him go outside.... gradually increase the length of time ...usually I added 1hr per every 2 weeks...this schedule agreed with my pup... yours maybe different...I think you can go back to your bed...this is just part of the puppy phase and doesn't last forever...just a few months.. When she is house broke...let her have free roam of the house while you are home...just contain her to the kitchen when you leave...give her plenty of safe toys to keep her occupied..When you feel comfortable to let her have total freedom of house....start gradually leaving her alone...5 mins..take a walk around the block...increase time gradually...the only damage ours did/still does is chew newspaper..kleenex ..anything papery...so when we leave we make a visual imspection for anything he has access to and remove it out of his reach.. if you still want to crate I'm sure somebody else will be able to help you...good luck and congratulations on getting Lori....post some pictures of her!!!
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Old 11-13-2006, 07:17 PM   #3
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We are using puppy pads for our 2 pups. The first couple of weeks were a nightmare to train them to go on it but now I am down to two pad areas and they do a fair lot of their business outside. It's been just over a month since we've had them andnow, at night, they don't get up (that we know of, but we used to hear their little paws as we have laminate flooring everywhere and the pads are clear of pee too ). They seem to sleep as long as us, but they need to be straight outside when they wake up though.
I am sure you'll soon be able to let her on her own at night.

Our dogs have had ''free rein'' in the house from day one unless we shut doors to some rooms. When out, they didn't seem to chew anything other than if I let my slippers out. They have their toys and I fill a couple of Kong toys with kibbles too. As long as there is nothing ''tempting'' for them to chew on, they're fine. I thought of leaving them in the kitchen at first, but I only went out for 30 minutes the first time and they were fine.
So far the longest we've been out was 5 hours (exceptionnally) and no damage done, apart from the wood for the fire which we'd left out in a basket - they'd obvisouly enjoyed having a play with it....

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Hi. Jean here, thanks brunosmum & bea for your response. no Angus wasn't crate trained, initially he was kept to the kitchen area at night & if we went out, but eventually he stayed in the lounge but we never had any problem with him chewing anything even though he could reach anything that he wanted as he was a big dog.
We thought we would give crate training a go as it seems to be reccomended now and also the fact that we looked after a friends rescue pup for a couple of weeks and he was fine in his den ( i don't know if that was because he was used to being left in a cage before he was rehomed ).
Lori is going for her vaccination today so we will be able to take her out for short walks in couple of weeks, she definately needs to be able to burn off some of her energy.
I will post some pics of her as soon as i can figure out how.

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Hi jean, I think it's just a matter of your own preference on the crate...I never liked it....but I have used it....I had a boxer for a year who had seperation anxiety...if I didn't crate him...he destroyed the house and actually almost broke the windows trying to get out...he didn't like the crate..and I hated using it but for his safety I needed to use it...so long story short...he went everywhere with me... there are people here who use it and the dogs have no problems with the crate...i think if you search some of the puppy threads you will probably find some post on it if that is what you want to do...I got lucky this time with bruno...he really was a fast learner (house breaking) and loves to sleep will we are out. Glad to hear Lori is getting her shots and will be able to burn off some energy...maybe she'll sleep too . That is a nice pic of her in your avatar!
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Hi. brunosmom, Bruno is sooo handsome.
We made 2 changes yesterday, firstly Lori had been asleep in her den for quite a while, and as she was waking up i needed to go out. I thought it would be really mean to put her right back into her den so i thought i would try leaving her in the conservatory, i left her with toys, chewy bone, water and a filled Kong, then i went out with fingers crossed. I was out for an hour and when i came back nothing had been moved except for my coat which i had left in there for use if it was raining when i took her out in the back for the toilet, she had pulled it down from the chair and was sleeping on it. ( perhaps she was getting my smell from it ).
Secondly, when we took her for her needle we mentioned that we had been sleeping downstairs with her, the vet wasn't very impressed, she said that it can cause destructive tendencies later on. So last night we all went to bed and i set my phone alarm to 3a.m. which as it turned out was a bit late as she was up about 2.30a.m. and had had an accident ( we had decided to leave the crate door open ) so tonight we are going to set the alarm for 2a.m. and 4a.m. and gradually lengthen the time between. After she had been up at 2.30a.m. she slept through to 6a.m. when my husband gets up for work, usually if the crate is locked she wakes up every hour.
I know we haven't given it very long but maybe some dogs are just not suited to the crate ( boxers are not good in kennels ) and she is quite happy to go in there herself when she wants some peace and quiet.
I will keep you updated.

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Hi jean...get those alarms ready!! I know nobody likes waking up in the middle of the night...but I think its a good cause..put alittle effort into her training and the faster she will learn....great she didn't chew anything...but don't trust her yet she is very young still...I think if you can wear them out during the day it makes a big difference with them sleeping through the night...but for now she is only capable of a few good dry hours...so stick with it...it doesn't last forever they grow up so fast...
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Hi. brunosmom, we worked the timing out well last night and there was no barking and no accidents, so far so good. As you say she needs to burn off some energy, the vet has said she can go for her first walk next Wed. can't wait.
Lori has a mad couple of hours in the evening when she tears around the house like a tornado, she bumped into me last night as she was racing around and i have now got a bruised lump on my leg.

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Well Jean it soundslike you were on the right track. I am not big on crate training either, but I know that there are many people who use it successfully and many dogs who need it.

I think the only problem you have right now is that lori is a young pup and needs to go in the middle of the night. In a few months she will be able to hold it and sleep through the night, So if you keep it up, you will have a good situation. On the other hand, if she is good about waking you when she needs to go you do not have to have her crated all night.

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Hi jean...I am so happy everything turned out good ....there will still be accidents...but keep up the middle of the night outing and brew some strong coffee for the daytime and everything will turn out fine in a couple of months.
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