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Old 10-26-2006, 07:06 AM   #1
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Hey everyone!

This is my first time on this forum - looking for some advice on house training my puppy. He is called Bosh! He is a chocolate labrador and he is 8 weeks old. If you want to see some pictures I have already created him a website (yup I'm a geek) with some on here.

Anyway, to business, so to speak I've heard differing advice on house training from many people so I'm looking for a definitive guide or some good advice to get him started - nothing seems to be working at the moment.

We got him on Saturday (five days ago) and have been trying hard to train him since then. We've been making him sleep in the (tiled) utility area of the kitchen, with a baby gate across and newspaper on the floor. I work from home so during the day he has been sleeping in my office. We let him into the lounge to play with him and generally allow him to walk around the place when we are about to keep an eye on him.

So to start with I have a few questions:

- Should I let him in my office with me? Or should I leave him in the utility area all day and listen for his barking when he wants to go out?

- I've just read a thread saying you shouldn't put newspaper down - is it too late to take it away? What are people's thoughts on using newspaper?

Anyway, I take him outside to pee and poo but he doesn't do anything 90% of the time. Then he comes inside and pees on the carpet in the hall or the floor in the dining room or wherever! Also, when I take him outside he gets distracted and starts chewing things.

So a few more questions:

- Should I tell him off when he pees/poos inside? I read a book that says you shouldn't tell him off, just ignore him and clear up the mess. But when he pees/poos OUTSIDE you should praise him lots for doing the right thing, which is what I have been doing and it hasn't worked at all!

- Should I take him out on his lead? He is only young so I haven't used a lead with him yet - we've started introducing his collar when he is playing but that is all.

- Am I expecting too much? He has only been with us for five days and I don't know whether by now he should be completely trained or still learning or peeing all over the place as is currently the case

Any other advice you can offer would be appreciated - he's a lovely dog and very friendly but I don't want him to poo and pee everywhere! I'm trying REALLY HARD with him but so far to no avail. I've read a few sources of info on this but they've all contradicted one another so I'm confused and the dog probably is too!!!

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He is a really gorgeous puppy thanks for sharing the pictures. Know one want their dog to pee and poo everythwere but He is only 8 weeks and still a little baby it will take time and patience to toilet train him and it is very early days yet. Think you are expecting too much too soon. I would keep a careful eye on him and take him out immediately he wakes up from a sleep, and about 15 minutes after you have fed him. Please don't scold him if he wees or poos in the house and not on the paper. As you have started off with newspapers I would praise him every time he goes on this and move it slowly each day nearer and nearer to the back door, then put it ouside if it is dry weather till gradually he will get the message, some breeds learn quicker than others. Patience is really the key and lots of praise when he gets it right. Good luck and do keep posting to let us know how he is doing. It is only natural that when he is outside he gets distracted everything is new to him and its a great adventure.
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Thanks Borzoi - I won't scold him, I was just wondering if I was doing things right. Maybe it IS a bit early and I am expecting too much. One thing I have noticed though is he doesn't really go on the newspaper very much - is this an issue? I've never scolded him for doing it in the house or off the newspaper so I wonder why he is avoiding it? Does this mean I should take the newspaper away and try to get him to go outside ALL the time?
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Any thoughts about letting him upstairs with me? Or should I leave him to sleep in his bit of the kitchen when I'm working and can't concentrate on him?
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If he is not using the newspapers I would take them away and keep trying him outside it will get through to him eventually and you will wonder what all the fuss and worry was about. If you are going to take him upstairs it may well be worth investing in a crate and put him in it while you are working but make sure you take him out at regular intervals to try to get him to do his business, If getting a crate get one big enough so that he can still use it as an adult, Some dogs like to havet heir own space and place of comfort. You can put him in this with his bedding and his toys and it is also useful for him to sleep in at night.
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Thanks Borzoi! Maybe I'll just keep him in his bit of the kitchen while I work and pop down to him every hour?

Okay - so I just went downstairs to get him to pee and I walked him from HIS bit of the kitchen to the back door. But he peed even before we got outside - and he stared right at me when he did it, so he knew I was watching! Is this my fault? Should I have carried him out so he couldn't do anything before we got there?
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It is not your fault it is just that young puppies cannot hold it in and when he gets the message from his brain that he needs to pee it is almost instantaneous but at least he was heading in the right direction. Next time though I would pick him up and carry him outside that way it might prevent an accident having said that he may not be able to wait and do it on you. If you think of a young baby who wears a nappy and you have just changed it when low and behold it wets it again, because it just cant help it. Puppies are similar though they become toilet trained much quicker than human babies. You say he stared at you when he did it but could it be he stared because he had gone in the right direction and was trying his best but he was not just quick enough to get out the door before doing it and perhaps he was trying to convey this, who knows what goes through their little minds.
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Should I let him in my office with me? Or should I leave him in the utility area all day and listen for his barking when he wants to go out?
I would have him in the office with me. I too work from home. I've rescued a puppy recently, 2 months ago (albeit much older than yours - 9 months) & I restrict her & the older dog to my office & the front hall when I am working.
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I've just read a thread saying you shouldn't put newspaper down - is it too late to take it away? What are people's thoughts on using newspaper?
Personally I don't believe in using newspapers - I've been down that road before. I think that that trains puppies to go on newspapers - which is not what you want. You want them to learn to go outside. If you live in an apartment & are not at home during the day then you could make allowances, but I think you need to start as you mean to end. By that I mean, in this instance, if you want him to learn that pee & poo happens outside then you start him that way.
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Should I tell him off when he pees/poos inside?
I wouldn't. I've have come round to the philosophy that training should almost always be about reward & praise for behaviour that you want. The strongest form I discipline I use is a raised stern voice or removal of my attention/affection, but I would not even use those in toilet training. ie. I would not scold my dog for going in the house.

As you are evidently learning there are many varying ideas on how to successfully train a dog!
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But when he pees/poos OUTSIDE you should praise him lots for doing the right thing, which is what I have been doing and it hasn't worked at all!
Yes - praise & treat, praise & treat. What I have & do is use a word - the most obvious being "pee" when the dog is doing 'it' so that he eventually associates the word with the action. I say it in a kid of high voice, drawn out "peeeee". Eventually you can ask, "do you need to peeeeee?" When they've finished their business - praise & treat, praise & treat.
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Should I take him out on his lead? He is only young so I haven't used a lead with him yet - we've started introducing his collar when he is playing but that is all.
I would think that the sooner you get him used to the lead, the better. Just start with him on it around the house, in your office, walking to his dinner time, etc.
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Am I expecting too much? He has only been with us for five days and I don't know whether by now he should be completely trained or still learning or peeing all over the place as is currently the case
Ha! Am I expecting too much is a question I have recently asked myself on this forum, but in relation to something else. In your case, yes, you are expecting too much. He is very young - he is not going to be trained in 5 days.


I really have to get to bed right now! Perhaps later I will come back with more.

Good luck.

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Hello,

I have a chocolate lab too and your photos are adorable!

Firstly, yes I'm afraid you are expecting too much, especially from such a young puppy, I would be absolutely AMAZED if it learnt to be house clean in 5 days I'm afraid it will most likely continue to have accidents for a while to come. Definately keep up with the praising whenever it does its business outside, I usually start praising while they're still doing it and keep praising once they've finished with a pat/hug etc. He will come to associate it with going outside but it takes a few weeks.

With regards to in the house, I have never used newspaper because I feel that by doing that you are effectively trying to teach the puppy even more toilet training - i.e. good to pee outside; bad to pee on the carpet; good to pee on the newspaper instead of just yes to outside, no to inside. It might also actually be a hinderance in helping the puppy to understand what they have to do in order to let you know they want to go out, the newspaper would only delay that association as far as I'm concerned (hope that makes sense?!). Also, letting you know that they want to go out, like by barking etc is in my experience not something that they learn until a while after they're completely toilet trained and worried about going in the house so you need to learn to read your puppy's 'signals'.

When I say 'signals' I mean there's usually some action they do before toileting that might alert you they're about to go, usually for a poo it would involve sniffing and circling at which point I usually grab my puppy and run for the nearest exit to the garden! On that note I think it would be a good idea to keep the puppy with you in the office so that you can either watch for these 'signals' or if it does have an accident in there (make sure you're taking it out REALLY reguarly) then immediately pick the puppy up and take it outside, where it was supposed to go. I would definately say at this age don't say anything to the pup is it has an accident, just ignore it and clean the mess up. Once it's older and has more of an idea what is should be doing you could, only if you actually catch it in the act though, say 'Bosh no' and then take him outside - definately do not raise your voice though as this could encourage him to start running off to go in places where you can't see him.

I've never taken my pups out on a lead to go to the loo, you're not always going to do it so I wouldn't worry. At this stage just getting him used to the collar is enough really and maybe occassionally put the lead on to do mini training sessions or something.

Um, I think that's it - oh I think someone mentioned a crate, I think that would be a good idea, my choc lab loved hers and used to take herself off to bed in there every night.

Hope it's all going well, it will work but you just have to persist I'm afraid! Good luck!

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Hi everyone! Thanks for your words of encouragement. Bosh is getting much better at peeing outside, though he still has a tendency to poo inside. For instance, I'll take him outside and he'll pee straight away and I'll praise him and hug him. Then we go inside and often he'll poo within five minutes. Should I be keeping him outside for a little longer? What about introducing treats for poos outside, rather than just praise - I read something saying you shouldn't give treats when house-training, but Bosh loves his food so I think this would be a good motivation

Another question, while I think about it. Bosh has a growing tendency to eat his own poo - lovely What should I do about this? Is there something I can put in his food that will make his poo taste horrible? Or is it simply a case of saying 'No' and moving him away every time he considers it, until he gets the idea?

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