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Old 04-01-2010, 11:21 AM   #1
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I need some dog advice!...I just got another American Eskimo puppy (male), and am having issues with my current 5 yr old male Eskimo getting really mean and aggressive, snapping at him… Granted it is only 4 days now, but what is the best approach? Should I scold my older dog? Do you think he’ll get better? I know it’s a dominant thing, but I don’t want him to bite the pup either…I don’t put them together while feeding, it usually happens when the pup is teething and nips at my older dog, I guess that would tick me off too….let me know your thoughts!

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Hi dugsta and welcome to the forum!

How old is the puppy? Normally an adult dog will cut a little puppy a LOT of slack, but when they get to be about 4 months old they won't put up with quite as much puppy silliness. If this is an older pup it could just be the older dog telling him to chill and it has nothing to do with dominance. If this is a young puppy (like 3 months or younger) then IMO something is not right.
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Old 04-01-2010, 12:07 PM   #3
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puppy was born Jan 30......so I want to give it time, but I thought our dog would accept it with no problem, he's such a passive dog!

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puppy was born Jan 30......so I want to give it time, but I thought our dog would accept it with no problem, he's such a passive dog!
They rarely just accept another dog in a household. One needs to guide them into accepting the new member.

Have you done any of this:
http://www.dogforum.org/showthread.php?t=24228
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That makes this puppy about 8 weeks old. My thoughts are that if the adult dog is seriously trying to harm the little one then something is off. If the adult dog is just telling the pup to knock it off in a language the puppy understands then it is probably normal.
Hard to tell without seeing it!
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Thx for the input...hopefully time will tell, its just unusual, i will keep a good eye on them

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Hi dugsta and welcome aboard to Df. Good advice give but I would also add
that now is time to start training the new puppy! And redirect the older dogs agression away from the puppy on to a toy and praise your older dog when he gets it right with a treat. Does he get walked quite a lot during the day? A tired dog is a happy dog The other thing it could be plain and simle is your older
dog is begining to feel left out by the new arrival so don't show any extra affection/attention to either dogs treat them both the same so jealousy can't set in! Good luck on this and keep us posted on any developments. ATB
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First off, I disagree that an older dog should cut a young puppy slack. An annoying pup is an annoying pup. Mother dogs manner thier pups who are only a few weeks old all the time. I can't be there to see how the older dog is reacting but it is NORMAL for an older dog to manner a young pup (of any age). Mannering is when an adult dog will snap and growl at a young pup. It usually lasts a few seconds and blood is never drawn. It's the old dog teaching the young dog how to behave in the canine world. It's normal....and it's quite important, too. It's simply the older dog saying, "Cut it out!"

I allow my older dogs to manner my young pups. I will stop if the mannering becomes more than an air snap, quick growling and a charge. My American Eskimo mannered my pups by sitting on them. She'd growl and pin them down. Then she'd hold them down sometimes with a silly grin on her face.

Is you older male neutered? The testosterone can make matters worse.

As with all aggression, any advice given on the internet (even my own) must be taken with a grain of salt as we cannot see the aggression in person. I may have a completely different take if I saw it happening in person. My BEST advice is to get someone in who knows dogs and see if they feel it is anything beyond normal mannering.

I would also not leave the pup and the adult alone together in case this isn't normal mannering. Coming home to an inured or dead pup would be terrible.
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By "cutting slack" I didn't mean that an adult dog should ignore unacceptable behavior - far from it. They should however react differently since they know that a puppy needs to be taught how to behave. If an older dog were to be annoying an adult dog would be likely to react much more harshly and possibly draw blood if the adult didn't knock it off.
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Oh I think as long as there is nothing overboard, it's fine for an older dog to set boundaries for a pup. It's part of the socialization method and I think most Dependant on the dogs type and personality. I've seen my dog and others, take age into consideration. Even small but not so balanced dogs can get away with a little more tom foolery that a larger dog would be reprimanded for. Perhaps it's just that there is no perceived threat for some dogs based on size.

Observation of The Guinness has shown that he will simply knock a dog off that attempts to mount him for example. A more determined dog will escalate things a bit at which point my dog will look to me to sort out the upstart. Should I fail in that position, The Guinness will escalate aggression to the point the other dog begs off. I suspect left to his own judgment, he would continue to escalate the aggression to the point of fighting. Not that it comes to that on my watch. I step in when he looks to me in as consistent a manner as I can muster.

To the original post I would suggest that you observe the level of aggression to the point of a bite or closing. This is where I would make a short sharp series of sounds "Hey Hey Hey!" should this distract from the pending fracas, step between them and send them to their respective corners. Clear them out and take the space they occupied as your own.
If it is over a resource, claim that resource as your own. Then allow the older dog to have his fill, then the pup's turn. Just make sure that you allow it, don't let either of them take it, and only when they are calm.

You have to give them space to sort things out but you don't want it to get to the level of an attack or a bite. Step in before that happens.

Remember not to get angry, just calmly assert yourself over them and let them see that you are the one to lead. Use what motivation works for the older dog, food, affection to get him on track with whatever you are doing and let the pup tag along. If the pup needs correction, you do it. The pup will learn from watching you and the older dog interact and the training you provide it.

Make sure you are in the right frame of mind to teach and you will find that the dogs will come along.

Lastly as Agility and others have said, aggression is a tricky thing and when it becomes a problem the cause can be difficult to identify even for an experienced person. So if it is available to you seek out the advice of someone that has a formal education in dog behaviour or at least someone who has a lot of experience with dogs and aggression to get the view point of someone who can see the behaviour first hand. In the end, you make the call.

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