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Old 01-27-2010, 07:27 PM   #1
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Default Frontline with two puppies- safe or not?

Neither Frontline's website nor a search of the forum answered my question. We have two Doberman puppies, aged 6 and 3 months. We've found ticks on the wee one, and on friends' recommendation we got some Frontline Plus.

Is that safe to use on a puppy in a situation where that one and another pup often play together including play-biting each other? The concern is that our older dog may inadvertently ingest some of the Frontline from the younger dog's upper back whilst playing.
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I personaly would use a powerful pesticide on my animal and have for nearly 18 months used garlic as a deterent against fleas and ticks. The ones I use are garlic pearl capsules but you can by a product called ( I think ) Bog off or it is bug off this too is garlic but in powder form. Fleas hate the taste of garlic and won't be landing on your 2 pups. I only give my Nipper 3 garlic capsules a year
and it does the job! And in some cases fleas are getting immune to certain brands of flea treatments and therefore stronger chemicals will probably be used to counteract the immunity of the fleas. Also steam clean all carpets where you pets have been and all furniture and their bed/bedding. ATB in what you decide to do.
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The directions for administering Frontline indicate that it should be applied between the dog's shoulder blades, an area he cannot reach to lick. Specific cautions are given for disposal and accidental ingestion. This link may be of help to you:

http://www.drugs.com/vet/frontline-p...s-puppies.html
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I know how to administer the Frontline, I just wanted to be sure that, if Rahab happened to play-bite the spot on Joshua's back where it was applied, no harm would come to Rahab. It says that it's OK to apply it to lactating bitches so I assume that doing so wouldn't harm her puppies if they happened to nip their mama on the back, but I'm still concerned.

We're in the Philippines so we don't have any carpeting, just ceramic tiles on all the floors, which makes it easier to clean up after puppies: we're lucky that way. Karen has washed everything that the dogs have slept on or even been on lately except our mattress, including their stuffed toys. Steam cleaning isn't really an option here as carpets are so rare that I don't think there are even any steam cleaning services available. That's another reason we decided to get some Frontline: I was told that after your dogs have been on it for awhile you only need to keep applying it to one dog to keep all of them and the entire house flea- and tick-free.

The ticks I saw were dark brown, about the size of a .177 caliber bb though one was larger (more blood-engorged), about the size of a dried pea. He had three between his front toes and two on his body near his "armpits". We've removed them all and placed them in some alcohol to kill them, and we haven't found any more but I want to treat him for pests anyway as a precaution. I like the idea of garlic pills and I've heard that they work well as prevention, though they don't kill existing fleas and ticks. We'll look for those: I imagine we can find them in with the vitamin suppliments in supermarkets or pharmacies, or if not then probably in the Chinese medicine and health food shop near Fuente Osmeña Circle which is just one short commute by jeepney from our place.

Meanwhile I seek assurance that applying the Frontline Plus to Joshua won't harm Rahab after the Frontline is dry.
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Not knowing how frequent or how intensive the play is between your two dogs, I think I would err on the side of caution:

"According to PetDrugs.com, dogs who have licked or ingested Frontline Plus Flea and Tick Control will experience excess salivation and often uncontrollable drooling. Avoid excess salivation and drooling by putting the topical medication above the shoulder blades in a spot that the animal cannot reach. It is prudent to watch the pet for 24 hours while the medication is absorbed to prevent the pet from rubbing or smearing the medication.

http://www.ehow.com/about_5268164_si...eas-ticks.html

"Application Area
The area where the medicine is applied may remain wet and oily for 24 hours, so it's important to put this on the back of the neck, where the animal cannot lick it. It is dangerous if ingested.


"Don't allow pets to lick one another's application sites. Cats often groom each other and may lick the area in which the Frontline has been applied. Consider separating the animals until the Frontline fully dries, which can take a day or two.]

http://www.ehow.com/way_5838191_prec...line-pets.html


http://www.ehow.com/facts_4855120_si...a-control.html
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Thanks, JGLI. Separating them for 24 hours won't happen so I guess I'll save the Frontline for when they're older and if it's needed. We'll just look for the garlic pills. I suppose Karen and I should take those too, otherwise if the dogs do have fleas or ticks they'll all jump ship and start biting us.
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... I suppose Karen and I should take those too, otherwise if the dogs do have fleas or ticks they'll all jump ship and start biting us.
I had a good friend in college who could make terrific sinangag --I'd hold out for that
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I had a good friend in college who could make terrific sinangag --I'd hold out for that
Hey, there's an idea! Filipino food uses lots of garlic. We could just pig out on the local cuisine, like we normally do anyway.

I'd consider just adding some chopped garlic or garlic powder to the dog's food but we've just found a brand that Rahab will eat and I don't want to spoil it- she's such a picky eater. Josh, on the other hand, is like a vacuum cleaner at mealtime albeit a messy one.
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I would air on caution with the garlic don't over do it as it's part of the onion family and can cause problems, So use with common sense I only give Nipper 3 capsules ( odourless ones) in a 12 month period. Glad you have decided against Frontline as there is too many precautions that have to be followed. As or steam cleaners they are quite cheap to buy and are extemely usefull even if you don't have carpeted areas the dogs will still have bedding you still have furniture where the fleas could easily hide and the breed quite quickly too. Good luck with the garlic though!! ATB
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Garlic tablets are difficult to find here, but Karen came home with two garlic gel-filled capsules, one for each of the children. Next thing is to watch them for a few days and see if they continue to scratch themselves.
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