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Old 10-06-2006, 07:13 PM   #1
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ok well i have been working extensivley with the new foster dog over the last 2 days, i have seen alot of agression for such a young pup, he has already gotten my hand 2 times, breaking skin, and im wondering if my approach is working? i am using the dominance/ timeout method, where you hold them down gently but firm untill they submit and cool down, well this pup is relentless, he is exremly viscious for 9 weeks, he is showing behavior i would expect from an adult dog, he will snarl and growl and snap with intent to bite (obviously) it is over things like touching him on his belly, and taking food from your hand, and even if you try to take something from him like a toy, im just under the assumption that this is from not being sociallized at all and has no clue how to behave with people. but he also has his times when he is the sweetest dog, he will cuddle and kiss, and play like a normal pup, he even fetches already. its almost like he has a multiple personality, is there anything else that i could be doing to remove this problem or should i just keep being presistant (i cant do the jaw grab with him when he bites as this only intensifies his agression its how i got bit once already) he is still so young and i know that he can be taught to be a better pup, i just am not sure if im doing this correctly ( pupppies are not my specialty i work with aggression in adult dogs) so what do i do to rehab a puppy? he is just so sweet and loving when he wants to be.

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to this .......(me trying to take the toy dont mind the hairbal in the background)
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Old 10-06-2006, 07:20 PM   #2
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That's pretty shocking behaviour for such a young one, that's too bad. He must have felt extremely threatened, and seems like he's having problems with trust. I believe in consistency, but maybe someone else will have better ideas. I'm no expert. I've never worked with truly troubled dogs.

Some of this stuff sounds like typical terrierist misbehaving. Doing the dominance roll with Tilly was/is funny. She keeps all four feet straight out like a tipped cow. But she is well adjusted, albeit very independent, driven, and downright quirky at times.

I'm looking forward to hearing more, it sounds very challenging but ultimately rewarding.

Edit: looking at the second picture. One thing I can say about this breed is they have a tendency to get "lock-jawed" on things, whether it be a physiological thing, or not. Once they get those jaws clamped on something, it's not easy to get it away from them.

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Old 10-06-2006, 08:32 PM   #3
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Have you ever thought of using a spray bottle of water when he misbehave?.I would also leave a leash on to help you with the training.

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i actually just started with the spray bottle tonight and it is working really well so far, he does not like it thats for sure. and he is leashed in the house because i dont trust him with the kids yet, plus he isnt fully potty trained, hes almost there but not quite, i find it much easier to potty train if you keep them in the same area of the house till they are broken, that way you dont step on any little "suprizes" lol
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Edit: looking at the second picture. One thing I can say about this breed is they have a tendency to get "lock-jawed" on things, whether it be a physiological thing, or not. Once they get those jaws clamped on something, it's not easy to get it away from them.
I still say Dalmatians and terriers have a common ancestor. Bayta was like this. She was half Yao Ming's size and her jaws were a vise even up to her old age. To her, the dominance roll was a game. It just ramped her up for more enthusiastic playing. She was also very strong in terms of body muscle. Made for some interesting times when she didn't want to do something - especially the dominance roll.

We did use a spray bottle - I had to use a mosquito repellant on her for a long time because she was outside so much and mosquito season is 12 months a year here. She hated that stuff so I could take the bottle out and set it down and that was enough to calm her down from whatever bad behavior she had going. But once she became a full-time indoor dog, she no longer needed the spray and eventually forgot it was a threat. Fortunately, she outgrew a lot of that bad behavior. But it started from very young also. At 10 weeks she started showing some of these behaviors so that doesn't really shock me that such a young pup has the problem. I don't believe Bay was mistreated in anyway by the woman I bought her from. She *was* the slowest of the litter and I think she had to catch up with her siblings to get her share and that may have set the tone for her dominance issues.
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Well done for taking an aggressive pup and trying to turn him into something.This puppy must have been hurt to become like that at 9 weeks.For me ,the spray bottle worked wonders and it doesn't stop them from loving to swim.He is a very lucky puppy to have second chance.Thanks.L

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This may be considered 'breedism' by some, but this is why I did not want a Jack Russell. Bless their cantankerous little hearts, from everything I have read they are strong-willed, tend to be agressive and are very smart. For the right dog owner a fun challenge. For the wrong dog owner, a constant headache. My hat is off to you and I wish you luck.
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I think if he has a big problem with food / hands etc I would actually hand feed all his kibble at this stage as this is something that needs to be addressed fast. Could you put him on a mini NILIF programme?

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i have been working on his food issues but holding the bowl when he eats, if he growls or snaps it gets taken away immediatley, i dont trust hand feeding because it makes them dependant on eating out of your hand instead of the bowl, but i am moderating his food when he eats, he gets 1/2 cup in the morning and 1/4 cup in the evening, plus treats in between, the spary botle is working wonders we went out last night to my brothers house and i decided to take the puppy to work on his social skills, and there were 5 kids there, plus 5 adults, and he was really good, with a few minor nips at me. but he was really good with the kids there, and everything went good.
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I think if he has a big problem with food / hands etc I would actually hand feed all his kibble at this stage as this is something that needs to be addressed fast. Could you put him on a mini NILIF programme?
I agree.. I knew someone with a agressive dog.. a Pomeranian actually, and the trainer I worked with told me to tell her to feed Everything out of her hand.. Make her WORK for her food.. even get one of those Buster cubes or something to put food in, that they have to work to get it out.. Or a Kong, and feed some out of there.. Do some obediance and ONLY give food when ure working with them.. ONLY! And when you want a toy, have a really Yummy treat to "Switch him for" Like When he drops the toy, give him a treat.. And lots of praise.
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