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Old 09-23-2009, 06:24 AM   #1
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At dog training on Saturday beginners class was in their 3rd week of training. I took the owner &(6 m/o Rhodesian Ridgeback pup) for loose lead walking. This pup is small for her age, hyperactive in the extreme & very nippy.

While we were walking I was asking the owner questions about his dog. All the usual things like how old, is she nippy at home, does she pull much while on walks, is she full bred? He said she was, but the runt of the litter, hence why she was so small for her age.

Then I asked where he got her from? Did you see the parents. He said the breeder wouldn't let him see the parents, they would bring the pups to him to see them. I told him it's always best to at least see the mother to see what sort of temperament she has & how she interacts with a stranger.

He thought about it for a while & said he should have insisted on seeing the mother. I told him I would have looked for another breeder. Seems to me they could have been hiding something.

Would you have got this pup? no matter how pretty she was (the owners words)?
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Old 09-23-2009, 06:31 AM   #2
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Well, I think we can all agree that he probably shouldn't have bought this puppy and he may have trouble with it - but considering the circumstances in which I handed over a wad of cash for Simba, despite all signs pointing to "RUN! run AWAY!" at the time.... I would be somewhat of a hypocrite!

Having said that, I wouldn't do it again as I have learned my lesson... I hope that this guy manages to get his pup to a manageable level too. I can cope with Simba, just about, but having learned what I have since learned we've actually been lucky we haven't got the full-on aggression issues that have been evidenced in her breed line.
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Old 09-23-2009, 06:42 AM   #3
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It depends on what you are looking for . Some ppl won't get a dog unless it purebred , some are very concerned with history , lines and insist on seeing the folks . I will and have taken dogs off the street not having a clue about what they are let alone what they have been through .

..but were I looking for the best shot at having a dog that's straight in the head with potential breeding in it's future i would look at everything under a microscope, I'm cool with strays and shelter doggies , so to me it's all about what you are after .
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Old 09-23-2009, 07:49 AM   #4
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I agree with NN it all depends what you are looking for and in any case you should at least go for the basics like a good sound tempermant, healthy etc if you can't get the basics then leave well alone. When I got Nipper the mother was there and was extremly friendly and was out of the box Nipper was in the box with 2 other puppies who were from the
same litter but were much bigger than Nipper probably by half the size
of Nipper again So Nipper was the runt of the litter. The mother when I picked Nipper out of the box sniffed her little baby and gave it a lick and also gave me a lick too, Sweet really So one parent is better than none. So In the case of the pup thats got a few problems It's certainly got a good chance of being turned around in to a good dog with the correct training! It is only a puppy still in some ways at 6 months old it should have learnt something by now. But it has some time left to learn new skills!
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Yes definitely sounds fishy to me. Any time the breeder does not welcome you to see the breeding dogs a big red flag should go up. If I was interested in purebred dogs, I would want references and I would want to see how their animals are cared for. And that's the way it should always be to ensure that the only options to obtain a dog are through qualified, reputable breeders and/or adoption/rescue. It's unknowing people like this man that just wanted to get a purebred dog and thought he was doing the right thing that actually keep the BYB's and puppy mills in business. People have to be very careful when choosing a breeder.
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Sounds like a breeder who was hiding something... Mel, it's not hypocritical if you have learned from your mistake. I too bought where I should have turned away. Mine was from a backyard breeder/puppy mill. The main issue here that differentiates between a stray off the streets and this Ridgeback is the support of bad business, poor breeding.

Knowing what I know now--no I would not have bought that puppy. I would flat out told the breeder "No parents, no puppy purchase."
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Puppies are adopted from shelters every day without the new owners having seen or known anything about the mother or the background, some of them purebreds.

IMO the difference comes down to dollar amount and expectations. If he paid the going price for a supposedly well bred Ridgeback puppy he should have been able to see the mother and the environment the puppies were raised in or walked away. If he didn't have sense enough to insist on seeing the mother; I can't help but wonder what else he wasn't told.
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There's a huge difference between taking in dogs off the street or adopting and buying from a breeder. For one you are usually paying a lot more. The main thing though is you are supporting that breeder. You are paying them not helping a rescue cover it's costs. Every dollar you give them allows them to breed more dogs. If we all buy without caring about lines, temperament, background, and breeding practices then we only cause those problems we complain about and increase the number of dogs without homes because we have created lots of irresponsible breeders breeding dogs with poor temperaments or more dogs than they need to. When I go looking for a breeder instead of a shelter or rescue I am looking for a dog with a known background for some particular reason but even if that weren't true I still wouldn't buy from a questionable breeder. I want to help rescue dogs and increase responsible breeding not encourage more problems.

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There's a huge difference between taking in dogs off the street or adopting and buying from a breeder. For one you are usually paying a lot more. The main thing though is you are supporting that breeder. You are paying them not helping a rescue cover it's costs. Every dollar you give them allows them to breed more dogs. If we all buy without caring about lines, temperament, background, and breeding practices then we only cause those problems we complain about and increase the number of dogs without homes because we have created lots of irresponsible breeders breeding dogs with poor temperaments or more dogs than they need to. When I go looking for a breeder instead of a shelter or rescue I am looking for a dog with a known background for some particular reason but even if that weren't true I still wouldn't buy from a questionable breeder. I want to help rescue dogs and increase responsible breeding not encourage more problems.
I absolutely 100% agree with this response.
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I totally agree with Sham's response also.
I bought April from a friend not knowing anything about bc genetics or the tests that should be undertaken on the parents. A few years later the breeder's daughter asked me if she had anything wrong with her eyes, as there was eye problems in the line. Luckily she didn't although her temperament wasn't all that good. She did have a long life though.
I had done a lot more research b4 getting Tilba & she seems to have an allergy problem.
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