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Old 09-12-2009, 01:13 PM   #1
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Default Pup refuses to be potty trained!!

We've had our pup Ruby who is a golden retriever for a few months now...she is 5 months old. She still wees whenever and wherever....somewhat understandable but showing no inclination to go to door after eveything weve done. My oldest retriever was trained by a year and was showing comprehension of the need to go outside by about 5/6 months but Ruby is showing nothing! We take her outside all the key times, after meals, naps, in morning, and frequent visits in between, she gets treats when she goes outside to urinate and totally ignored if she does something inside. Nothing is working. Our carpets are starting to STINK...like you walk in the house and are floored by the smell....despite weekly shampooing and on the spot cleaning.....its starting to be miserable.....can someone please give me a suggestion....is it because females are slower to learn?? Please help!!

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Old 09-12-2009, 02:27 PM   #2
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Oh dear THAT sounds awful!
Something doesn't sound right...
has she been checked by the vet for a UTI?
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Old 09-12-2009, 02:29 PM   #3
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Hi TreeverMama. First up welcome to Df I don't think it's a female thing. Just a thought could it be a bladder infection that is causing this as you seem to be doing things ok? The other thing is it could be she is just a slow learner? Re the smelly carpet while it's good that you are caerpet shampooing on a regular basis, the pee will have soaked through to the underlay (if there is some) or have soaked in to the floor boards.

I would suggest breaking down the ensymes ( that causes the smell) with
a steam cleaner there is no chemicals needed to mask the smell, just constant boiling water 100 degree c or 212f under pressure which will break down the ensymes molicules which cause the smell.

The other thing is I would try going back to basics as though she was a 8 week old puppy. and start all over again. While Nipper is house trained she does from time to time still does a sneaky pee in the kitchen and there's no warning she will go in the kitchen and ( I think she is going for a nap!) do it! i some times get a warning like she will put her paw on me but not every time if only it was! Good luck and keep us posted and enjoy the forum
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Old 09-12-2009, 02:40 PM   #4
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gosh my pups are usually clean by 12 weeks. id get her checked at the vets, does she have the run of the house?.
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When you take out the dog do you exit the same door always to the same area? Do this always so they do not get confused by different doors they never know just which one to go to. Hang some Bells, get a pack at Wal Mart, put on a raw hide show lace, hang on the knob and ring, show the dog the noise they make, praise and make a big fuss how nice they are and you like them alot. when you take the dog out;;;;;;;WAIT, it will go if your patient, then pet n praise to high Heaven!!!

To begin the potty training process, take your dog outside to the designated potty area and use a phrase such as, "Go potty" or "Hurry up". If your dog relieves himself, praise by saying, "Good potty" or "Good hurry up" and give him a treat. It is important that you praise and reward your dog immediately after he relieves himself so that he will associate the praise and positive reinforcement with going to the [COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue !important]bathroom[/COLOR][/COLOR] outside. If your dog does not relieve himself, bring him back inside and confine him in the crate. Keep him crated for 2-3 hours and then take him outside to the designated potty area ask him to go potty. If he relieves himself, reward him with verbal praise and offer him a tangible reward, such as a treat. If your dog does not relieve himself, return him to his crate and repeat the entire process until your dog does relieve himself. It is crucial that you remember to praise and reward your dog each time he relieves himself in the designated potty area.

Once you have had your dog relieve himself in the designated potty area, you can start to give your dog more room to play. You can do this gradually by first moving your dog into a larger fenced in area such as [COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue !important]an [COLOR=blue !important]exercise[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR] pen. Continue the same process of taking your dog outside frequently and praising and rewarding him if he relieves himself outside. After your dog does this successfully a few times you can increase the area in which the dog is confined again. Continue to increase the area your dog is allowed to roam as well as the amount of time between trips outside until your dog is given free reign of the house and is able to refrain from soiling in the house for several hours.

Got a little info and I will leave the link for you here so it helps you to understand how to begin again and keep with it, patients pays, be persistant just as if we want something bad enough it pays to stick to our guns till we get it, lol.

http://www.vetinfo.com/damitrip.html
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Old 09-13-2009, 03:45 PM   #6
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It should not take a year to housebreak any dog and it should not take 5-6months before they start to get it. All the breeders I've dealt with had their puppies beginning to understand pottying outside by 6-7weeks and fairly housebroken by the time they went to their homes at 8weeks. If it takes more than 3-4months to have a puppy housebroke to the point accidents are truly accidents such as diarhea or oops I was playing too hard and forgot I needed to go then something is wrong.

I would check for a urinary tract infection just in case. It doesn't take much and there's no point continuing if there is one.

Then I would change 2 things. First don't just completely ignore it when she pees in the house. Don't get overly upset because it will do no good and just make her not want to pee in front of you but a simple no and then immediately taking them outside will help greatly for them to get the hint. When I brought Zami home she understood not peeing in most of the house but the basement had weird smells and she thought maybe it was ok to pee there. If I had ignored it I can gurantee you it would have continued. Instead I stopped her with a quick but not overly loud no and took her outside. That was the only time she started to pee in the house without something being wrong. Continue to carry treats and praise when she does pee outside so she doesn't associate peeing with being bad but peeing inside as being the problem.

Second crate training and supervision are important. Do not let the puppy where it could pee without you seeing it and being able to stop it and crate the puppy shortly before it may need to pee so it is unlikely to make a mess in it's crate. Since dogs don't like to make messes where they sleep it will teach the dog to hold it and when you do take them outside they will be ready to pee so you don't have to wait around guessing if they have to go or not. Make sure to take the puppy immediately from crate to outside or you are more likely to have accidents inside. If you are always watching so the puppy has no chance to pee without you stopping them and taking them out and you crate them when you can't watch or when they are likely to have accidents then housebreaking should begin to happen even if you make other mistakes. I spent the first week or so tied to Zami. I always had a leash on her and either looped it over my arm, leg, or tied around my waist. The foster we had confined to areas without carpet and where we were likely to be until he could be trusted.

It will also help greatly if you get the smell out of the carpet. My dad's doberman has issues with urine leaking and his carpet carries a very faint smell. It's enough that both our dogs have peed on his carpet when we have no accidents in our house. They are very well housebroken and will potty outside on command. They still can't resist peeing on his carpet though because of the smell left by the other dog. We had the same problem with some cats in the house. A batch of kittens peed behind something and every cat or kitten after that kept insisting on peeing in that spot despite being litterbox trained. I suggest having the carpet shampooed. You can rent a shampooer (they aren't hard to use just make sure you put the correct shampoo in it) or you can just have a professional do it. Then spray any particularly bad spots with a cleaner designed to break down pet odor. It will help prevent confusion if you get all the current urine smell out of the house.

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My pup (now 7 months) took a LONG time before she figured out how to tell me she had to go potty. We had to teach her to tell us, and we did it with a bell on the door. You could try it, maybe (if she checks out ok with the vet) she just doesn't know how to tell you.
What we did was tie a bell to the door knob, just above Quinnie's head. Then, every time we went outside to go potty, I would jingle the bell till she jumped up and jingled it. Then we went out. After doing this every time, she learned ringing the bell was necessary to go out, and learned to jump on the door when she wanted out. Now, even though the bell is gone, she scratches to tell me she wants out (Though not always to pee, sometimes she just wants to play) Perhaps the technique would work on your pup!

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I think you might do well to use a tether for a while. You need to get all the business done outside for a few weeks in a row, now that she thinks it is maybe okay inside. A tether will make it hard for you not to notice if she's about to make a mess, and I think catching her about to pee, and going outside immediately can give her the idea.

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