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Old 09-07-2009, 03:49 AM   #1
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We collected 'murphy' 9 days ago and unfortunantly he had to be rushed to the vets on his very first night with us. He was being sick and had the runs, which was literally just brown water. He spent the night on a drip and luckly was fine the following day, the vets gave us a special wet food to feed him on Royal Canin Chicken, which loves and after his stools were good and hard we are slowly and i mean slowly introducing him to james wellbeloved turkey and rice puppy kibble, which he wont eat, so i'm having to crumble it into dust and mix with the meat and after 3 or 4 meals now has the runs again! he is a 9 week old boxer but still very small, he has settled down and is 100% with everything else, can anybody advise me on a dry food which maybe better/sensitive suited for him?

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I'm sorry to hear that little Murphy had the runs! Puppies sometimes do get the runs, especially if their food is changed. And sometimes dogs will get diarrhea from the stress of moving to a completely new environment. Is there a medical reason for the runs? What did the breeder recommend?
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Old 09-07-2009, 07:39 AM   #3
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the breeder hasn't really taken much interest in the pup and the vet didnt actually say what it was, but he's been full of beans for the past 7 days and had firm stools feeding him on the wet food from the vets so i'm sure he's settled in now. the vet i'm sure its to do with the new food i've tried to introduce that is causing the problem and wondered if anyone couls suggest a more suitable food?

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It could be something in the food that he is sensitive too, how slowly did you introduce the kibble into his diet?

As a small pup, i'd be inclined to feed him the Royal Canin for a while until he gets bigger and stronger, and then start trying to introduce something else. At 9 weeks old he won't have a lot of reserve strength to cope with extended periods of the runs.

I have a dog who has issues with certain types of food and it can be a slow process introducing a new diet, sometimes literally one kibble at a time into a meal so that the digestive system slowly gets used to it.

Some dogs also have issues with certain meat proteins.

I've recently discovered the difference between the Prescription diet 'hypoallergenic' and the other 'hypoallergenic' foods you can get. I've been told the prescription ones hydrolise the meat proteins to make them less likely to irritate, whereas other brands just mean that it doesn't contain common allergens. This was the reason my dog could eat Hills chicken and rice but not another brand I found.
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Thanks Melamaphine, i'm taking him for his first jab in a couple of days so i'll keep feeding him on what he's ok with and get some advice form the vet.

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Aww poor Murphy. Mel is right you must introduce any new food over a period of time by mixing in the new with the old and gradualy increasing the new while decreasing the old food till over a week by then it's just new food. You could try Wainright's Puppy Kibble Salmon and Potato or Chicken and Rice. Has Murphy been wormed yet? Shame the breeder isn't really interested in the pup He's took your money and is IMO not a good breeder as most would want to know and help if they can.
Very good luck with this problem and give Murphy a gentle hug from Dave and Nipper xxx
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Your vet should definitely be able to help.

Longterm, i'm sure you can get him onto something else in the line of a dry food, but just let him get strong and grow a bit before you start testing out foods if he's that sensitive.

With young puppies, I believe it best to err on the side of caution as it doesn't take much to sap their strength entirely.

There are plenty of options to try when he is stronger, i've been through the whole digestive problem route with my dog and we've got her sorted now. It's a case of establishing what it is that irritates your dog's tummy, but does involve an element of trial and error and isn't a pleasant experience.

My dog has a kibble that contains none of the usual allergens (which are Beef, Pork, Gluten, Grain). She has an entirely fish and potato diet which she is flourishing on, if she accidentally gets red meat she gets the runs.
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Sorry to hear your puppy has some intestinal distress. Where he is a 9 week old puppy, there are a couple of things I would rule out before I started jumping from food to food.

1) when was he first wormed? when was his second worming? What product was used?
2) has a stool sample been floated to determine if he still has worms, or has the vet ruled out Coccidia or Giardia? It is not uncommon for some pups to require a 3rd worming or for pups to go to their new home and all of a sudden show signs of Coccidia. Coccidia, often times is transfered to the pups from the mom. Many dogs have it, and it is only brought out during stressful times. Pregnancy and whelp can be stressful, thus the pups contract it. The pups may not experience any stress while at their whelping home as some breeders do not take pups out to experience the world before they go to their new homes. Then a new owner gets a pup, takes it places and the pup may experience some stress causing the coccidia to emerge. Some pups may never feel stressed so it "lies dormant" until a bigger stress trigger activates it. Coccidia can also present in spurts (no pun intended) a few days of normal stools, then loose again, normal, repeat. Often owners will think it is what they fed the pup and keep changing foods.
3) did the puppy have any shots at all prior to you obtaining it?
4) how much are you feeding the puppy? over feeding can cause explosive stools.

Hopefully, the situation is something simple and easy to fix.
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Thanks everyone for your advice, especially Haus Mansfield for info on coccidia & Giardia.....we've taken murphy to the vets and he has now on 'metronidazole' which hopefully will stops the diarrhea, does anybody know how long it takes before these tablets get in his system and start working?

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With Metro, you will notice in about 24 to 48 hours a difference in the dog. The metro does a quick job of calming the intestines so that the rawness in them heals quickly. You may find that additional time on Metro is needed, should the dog experiencing additional stress inducing stimuli. You may also see your dog sleeping more frequently for longer periods of time for a couple of days. This is not unusual. It is the intestinal tract relaxing which causes the dog to possibly catch up on any sleep it needed, plus the healing process usually calls for added sleep.

Did the vet suggest using boiled burger or chicken with rice or potatoes in small meals during recovery time?
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