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Old 10-02-2006, 03:51 PM   #1
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Question Aggressive puppy behavior

Hello all! I haven't posted in a while (too busy moving into this apartment and getting the puppy, etc.). Well, I got Keegan and hes a very good boy. Our roomates have a puppy as well named Buster. He's a pitbull/bulldog mix and hes gorgeous. Our puppies love eachother however, Keegan is much smaller than Buster (both born on the same date!) just the breed difference. Anyway, Buster will soon be much much bigger than Keegan and won't know that the size difference can be dangerous. They both gnaw(sp?) on eachother constantly. We're all four trying to get them to quit it but they just don't get it! It's very frustrating. Any tips on this problem?

Also, both puppies won't stop eating the cat poop out of the litterbox ! All suggestions and tips are very appreciated! Thankyou!

Some pictures are shown below first one is Keegan & Buster, second one is Keegan, and third one is Buster.
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Old 10-02-2006, 08:34 PM   #2
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Sounds from your description like the puppies are just 'playing rough' with each other. I doubt very much that the bigger one will hurt the smaller one unless there are any signs of aggression rather than play (which can look rough but neither pup should be injured or show signs of stress). Most friendly big dogs can happily play with much smaller dogs or puppies and will instinctively take more care.

Re the biting, again this sounds pretty normal. If they are not leaving marks on each other then they are practicing good bite inhibition which is very useful. If either of them seems to be bullying the other of course I would give them a short 'time out' to calm down away from each other.

Re the litter tray, again pretty normal dog behaviour I am afraid, but definitely not great for their breath! Best solution is probably to restrict doggy access to the litter tray, perhaps put it in a room with a baby gate so cats but not dogs can pass or invest in one of those litter trays with a sort of lid.

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yeah, nowadays they have little "outhouse" tent like things you can put over the litterbox.
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Yes rough play in puppies can be a very bad thing. If you don't want them playing rough as adults then don't let them now. As they grow, they will become power struggles and that is not a good thing.

Puppy play is more than just puppy play, they are learning through play to be adults. Rules boundries and limitations ! You can let them play. But if it gets rough then stop them and make them calm down. When it gets rough again, stop and make them calm down. It will teach them that rough play is not acceptable. There are rules to playing. I often refer to children when talking about puppies. We wouldn't let young children play rough, hit, throw things, break things. We set rules and boundries and limitations. We teach them manners. Same as puppies. They need to learn manners.
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I don't want people to miss understand me when I talk about rules boundries and limitations.

My dogs do play. This is calm play.


Notice MY 3 mo old GIRL against my Hubby's 2 lab/pit mixes BOYS (3 and 6 yr old)



When ever they do play games like this, I am ALWAYS watching and making sure they do not take it to a higher level.
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Hi

I am having the same problem with my two 10-week old Jack Russell. One (Trooper) was the probably the little chief of the litter and the other (Samson) was the runt. Hence, one of the worst match we could hope for according to what I read further up this post....

I've started separating them and locking Trooper in the kitchen until he calms down, although he ''cries'' most of his time in the kitchen.

We don't want Samson hurt as he's so small (nearly half the weight of Trooper) and he does get afraid and ends up hiding from Trooper when Trooper won't stop hassling Samson.

Any suggestion welcome, apart from the separation. I also try to distract Trooper with a toy, but then Samson wants to join in and the fighting starts again. Should I just carry on doing this for a few weeks until they understand it's not okay to fight (distraction and separation).

At other time, they play together very quietly and peacefully....

We are definitely getting them neutered as soon as we can (probably 6 months old) because I am with them all day and it's difficult to handle.

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Let them play. But, only when you are with them so you can watch them and control their play. Anytime it starts getting too rough, then stop it right away. They have to do it to learn the right and wrong way and through the consistant corrections they will learn. Consistancy is going to be the key to getting this to work.

There are different methods you can use depending on how "unbalanced" the play is getting. One could be throwing a bottle with bells or something in it to break their concentration. Not at them but near them. Some dogs will react to a squirt bottle. Use a word like no with when you do it. If something simple doesn't stop it them you can seperate them.

It is really important that one is not allowed to dominate or it will only get worse as they get older. Hope this gives you some ideas.
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Puppies learn how to control themselves through play and so long as they are not hurting one another, I would let them be. Watch them and look for signs of stress and if anyone is showing it (trying to get away, withdrawning from the other, etc) then give the pup a break by crating or removing the boisterous pup.

Puppies don't want to hurt each other and, if one is hurt, it will yipe and withdraw, ending the play session and, therefor, teaching the other pup to be more careful with his or her jaws. They will teach themselves bite inhibition on dogs.

I agree with letting them play as they are learning very important lessons about how strong their jaws are. You don't want an adult dog that has poor bite inhibition because all dogs CAN bite. If your dog ends up being that dog (for whatever reason), you want him or her to be aware of the strength of his or her jaws and produce minimal damage.

Also, at this time, you should be teaching the pups bite inhibition on humans. Dr. Ian Dunbar has an excellent protocol for it:
http://www.jersey.net/~mountaindog/berner1/bitestop.htm
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im having a problem where my chihuahua mix is being to rough and wont stop when i move him away. he keeps on coming and fighting with my 2month old german shepherd king. my german shepherd plays fine and all but the chihuahua mix just keeps trying to pin him and bites him on his mouth and eyes then when my other dog leaves cause it hurts him he chases him and pulls him by his tail...this has got so overhand that we have to keep them seperated and when they are together we have to keep one the chihuahua with us cause he will just go and bite him hard... i want them to be able to play do you know what i can do?

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