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Old 06-17-2009, 07:00 PM   #1
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Haruko had an unknown bordatella vaccine at 5weeks along with distemper and parvo. At 8weeks we got her and took her to our vet who not knowing what bordatella was used decided to do an intranasal first and a 2nd distemper at that time. Haru acted normal that day but I guess I do remember her throwing up a few times like 3days later and we didn't know why. She continued to be an active destructive puppy so I figured she just found an old rotted bone in the yard that I'd missed and upset her stomach eating off it. Today she went in for her 3rd distemper, had a bordatella injection, and a lyme disease vac because ticks are insane here. About an hour later I heard her whining. I noticed she was shivering, inactive, and cried when I touched her shoulders. I called the vet and was told to give half an 81mg baby aspirin every 12hrs (Haru weighs ~9lbs). I did that about an hour ago. Haru is less active and mostly passed out in her crate. She doesn't appear to be shivering anymore though. She did come out to greet my mom and her puppy when they brought the aspirin over and she came out to greet Josh when he got home then immediately went back to sleep in her crate. Other than that she doesn't respond to anything except to wiggle her tail and maybe open her eyes. I'm just wondering when we need to worry. The vet closed an hour ago so I can't get anymore suggestions from them easily. We can call the emergency line and take her in if we need to but they aren't close and would have to get ahold of our vet at home. I know if she gets worse or starts throwing up to take her in but if she just continues to remain inactive and sleep even after being given aspirin is that bad or normal? What if she starts shivering again?

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I think it is the asprin that is making her really sleepy. It is worth putting her crate in your bedroom when you sleep tonight so you can keep an eye on her. Have a look at her gums, if they are unusually pale this is an indication they are poorly but if they are dark she is probably just been knocked out by the asprin as she is not used to it and was ill before she had them. When we have vomitting bugs we do sleep for hours and pup's are no different. Keep an eye on her and monitor when she toilets and drinks (she may not eat any way) if she doesn't do this i would call the emergency vets if it was me, better safe than sorry!

Wishing you all the best, i am sure she will be back to her bouncy self.

Oh and asprin should wear off in about 4 hrs so if she is not better by then i'd call the vets. - this is just personal opinion as i am not medically qualified.

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I do not like giving pups shots anymore because of the reactions they get, but it is necessary to get the parvo and lyme and rabi a must.

Maybe the asprin is relaxing her to sleep it sure does me if I take one.? If she wimpers it might be sore where the shot was given, put a little ice on it to help the pain? she will be ok I hope so. It takes a day to get over the reaction of shots.
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Old 06-18-2009, 11:48 AM   #4
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Am I missing something here? I though bordatella, kennel cough prevention, was given every 6 months. My two only get it twice a year and since Myka isn't in classes or competition right now I am not having him given the vaccine at all. Also, maybe its just me, but I will not have my dogs vaccinated for more than one thing at a time. Seems like the recipe for disaster by having multiple vaccinations on a single day, especially on a puppy with no record of reaction to medications.

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Bordetella isn't normally given three times in a short period. 6 months is the most often I have ever heard of, and those who don't do a lot of social events can even do it at 12 months. I too am confused as to why that vaccine would be given that often to a puppy.
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I didn't know bordetella was at question with puppy shots. All the breeders I've talked to do 3, the puppy classes require 3 bordetella and 3 distemper be done before class starts (Haru starts class next week), the vets all suggest 3, and most sites I've looked at online say the injection needs at least 1 booster 3-4weeks later with many listing it 3 times.

Haru has mostly recovered. Her shoulders are still sore but she's active again and has been eating. I think we will at least leave off the lyme vac until later. It's not that important. We will have to watch her closer for ticks and use some repellent on her though. None of the monthly stuff is enough to completely keep our ticks off. I found 3 on Zami a week after her frontline was applied which is why we started vaccinating for lyme. We also sometimes go to camping events or hiking in nearby states like Wisconsin which gets mentioned amongst the worst places for lyme disease cases.

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Hmmm, haven't heard that one before. Maybe I need to do more reading on it. Are you in the states?
A topical like Front line Plus say they are only good for up to a week against ticks. I have to check my two often for ticks. I don't use front line as often as they recommend since its just for fleas. If I don't notice fleas I don't treat them, usually about every 10 weeks or so.

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OK. Here is a little cut and paste. (I got back from my bike ride, mowed the lawn and had some free time) I do not dispute what you had been told about the bordatella stuff but here is what I could pull using Google.

+Bordatella, which helps to protect against Kennel Cough and similar respiratory infections, is required by most kennels before a dog can be boarded. Puppies usually are given an inter nasal bordatella vaccination at 8 to 16 weeks of age. Annual inter nasal boosters are recommended. If the dog is exposed to a kennel situation, or routinely comes in contact with other dogs at a grooming parlor, veterinary clinic, park or in the neighborhood, boosters should be given every six months. http://www.sniksnak.com/doghealth/vaccinations.html


+The vaccine may be used in puppies as young as 3 weeks of age, only one dose is necessary to provide protection, and protection occurs as early as 3-4 days following vaccination. http://www.pawsnewengland.com/resources/docs/health/kennel.php



+This is an upper respiratory infection also known as kennel cough. This infection is usually not fatal but is a pain to get rid of. The infection can spread quickly through boarding and grooming facilities and any place dogs congregate. The vaccination can be in the form of a nasal spray or injection. The injection form will need a booster in one month. Your veterinarian can help you decide if this vaccination is necessary for your dog.http://petcare.suite101.com/article.cfm/dogandpuppyvaccinations




+The Bordatella can be given by needle (a series of 2 vaccines given 3 weeks apart) or by an intranasal (nasal drops) vaccine. This vaccine is given to puppies exposed to other dogs especially in boarding, grooming, and training situations. The vaccine has a wide time of administration and may be given anywhere between 8 and 20 weeks of age. Not all puppies require this vaccine and your veterinarian will determine if your puppy is at risk for this disease. http://www.siberianhuskyhealthfoundation.org/puppies.asp



There are a couple of options for getting your pet vaccinated. It can either get a shot or a nasal treatment. Your puppy can't get the injectable variety until it's four months old and usually gets booster shots annually. The nasal vaccine can be given to puppies as young as three weeks old. The advantage of the nasal vaccine is that the nose is where most dogs will pick up the disease. There's debate among veterinarians as to which vaccine provides the best protection against kennel cough. http://animals.howstuffworks.com/pets/pet-travel/bordetella-vaccine2.htm

I think I'll stick with my system for now.

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Old 06-18-2009, 09:01 PM   #9
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The problem with bordatella, that most vets won't tell you is that literally there are close to a thousand different strains of it. The vaccine, be it nasal or a shot ONLY covers 5 to 6 of the strains. That still leaves your dog open to contracting literally hundreds of other strains of it.
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It's just like our flu shots. Too many variations in the strains to cover them all.

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