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Old 09-19-2006, 11:13 PM   #1
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Alright...I'm hoping this is all just being a puppy but I felt like I should check anyways. So my puppy is 11 and a half weeks old right now. He's starting to get the hang of going to the bathroom outside. He does almost every time. But he still hasn't figured out not to go in the house. I attribute that to mostly myself and not watching him as closely as I should.

However, he doesn't seem to be learning to listen to me when I say no. I'll say no in a deep voice and pull him back and scold him but he goes right back. Even when he gets hurt doing something he won't learn. For instance, he continues to walk in under my feet on walks and occaisionally gets stepped on. I figure that's mostly due to being a puppy. But he still won't listen when I say come (and he knows come and he knows sit) and he still won't stop doing things even after being repeatedly scolded. Is all this normal? I really don't know what to do. I've done everything I'm supposed to and he still doesn't get the picuture. The worst part is, sometimes he snaps back at me when I scold him and I desperately want to curb that behavior but I can't figure out how. Every time I try he just snaps again. Very frustrated here any help would be a life-saver.

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Old 09-20-2006, 01:31 AM   #2
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Just be consistent with the potty training. I have had good luck with taking the dog to the same place everytime & giving tons of praise when they are successful outside. He is still young & his bladder may not be as developed yet. He will get the hang of it.

There is a power struggle going on, as to who is the alpha dog - you or him. Here is a method of training that you may want to look into. It is very good. Since he knows come & sit this can be the next step in his training.
http://www.k9deb.com/nilif.htm

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However, he doesn't seem to be learning to listen to me when I say no. I'll say no in a deep voice and pull him back and scold him but he goes right back. Even when he gets hurt doing something he won't learn. For instance, he continues to walk in under my feet on walks and occaisionally gets stepped on. I figure that's mostly due to being a puppy. But he still won't listen when I say come (and he knows come and he knows sit) and he still won't stop doing things even after being repeatedly scolded. Is all this normal? I really don't know what to do. I've done everything I'm supposed to and he still doesn't get the picuture. The worst part is, sometimes he snaps back at me when I scold him and I desperately want to curb that behavior but I can't figure out how. Every time I try he just snaps again. Very frustrated here any help would be a life-saver.
First, your pup doesn't know sit or come and it isn't fair to you, or him, to assume he does. Come is, a basic, yet difficult command for the human-canine team to master. I have a breed of dog that I can't even expect to ever obey it in the wrong enviroment (i.e. high distraction level), even though she "knows" it technically. You also can't expect an 11.5 week old pup to be ready to come every time unless you've already done extensive work in the "come" (and come is one of those commands that will be more successful if used in a positive reinforcement setting). With come, you have to build up a vast, extremely extensive bank of "good things happen when I come" in a variety of different areas. Come in the living room is completely different than come in the park. Don't ever scold him for any association with come or you'll get a dog that associates "come" with "mommy/daddy scolding me. No thanks, this stinky pile of cat poo is way more rewarding." Also, don't let him in an enviroment that you cannot control while you are trying to teach come. That means that you start with a 6ft leash and work up to a long line. Also, most dogs are not reliable with "come" until 2+ years old.

As for his response to scolding... it's perfectly normal. My advice, forget about "no" and "scolding him" as they are teaching him nothing (his snapping is probably because he thinks you're playing). Instead, focus on teaching him how to behave in a positive manner. If he's chewing your shoe, correct (with a calm "uh uh"), redirect (awesome jawesome chew toy), and praise/reward for chewing on his chew toy. Don't let him have access to things he shouldn't have unless you're watching him. Tether him to you around the house or crate him when you have to leave/are really busy (such as when you're making supper). This will also aid in house training.

Finally, this is a book I recommend a lot and it's because I LOVE IT. I used to be very frusterated about trying to train my dog, like you, until I sat down with this book. It's THe Culture Clash by Jean Donaldson. It lets you relax when you realize that your dog is in fact normal.


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There is a power struggle going on, as to who is the alpha dog - you or him. Here is a method of training that you may want to look into. It is very good. Since he knows come & sit this can be the next step in his training.
http://www.k9deb.com/nilif.htm
I completely and utterly disagree about this being a "power struggle," although I've never been one to argue about NILIF!

This is typical puppy stuff.
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Becky Is Completely Right With All Suggestions. I Don't Believe That It Is A Power Struggle Either. Not At That Age. Plus All Becky's Tips On The House Training Are Right On, Just Keep Consistant. As With The Commands. It Is Going To Take Time To Teach Your Pup All That Stuff. I Am Sure That You Haven't Had Him That Long. You Are On The Right Track, Just Keep Up The Good Work, And Becky Has The Same Tips That I Would Most Likely Give. Good Luck.
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Old 09-20-2006, 04:13 PM   #5
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Really good advice from Becky. I totally agree that a good reliable recall in all situations takes a lot of dedicated training and certainly wouldn't be mastered by 11 weeks. At this age everything is new and exciting, and puppies need to explore their environment in order to learn. Your pup doesn't need to scolded, just like a toddler he doesn't yet understand your concept of naughty behaviour. Focus on praising him for behaviour you like such as toileting outside, chewing on one of his own toys, or coming to you when you call him for his dinner and he will soon cotton on.

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Thank you very much everyone for the helpful info. I'm glad it's most likely not a case of confusion when it comes to Alpha and Beta. I didn't think it was but it's nice to get some confirmation. The other thing that's hard to figure out is why he still continues to cry when I put him in his crate. No matter what, he still bawls. Hoepfully just another part of being a puppy.

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How much time does he spend in the crate? What is his daily routine? Where is the crate kept?

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Crate is kept in my room. Spends only maybe a couple hours in it a day for relaxing, naps, crate training etc. In bed usually by about 11 and then up at 7, food, sleep, up at 10:30, walk, play, food, then crate for about an hour, then walk, food, play, nap. It varies during the evening but he usually spends another hour in his crate somewhere around 8 or 9 and eats one last meal before then around 7 or 8. It goes like that pretty much every day. He's got the routine down fairly well. He knows when we go in my room he needs to go in his crate and I'll give him a treat. Then he'll sit there for about a minute and start crying. I'm stumped. More time in the crate? Less? Any help would be much appreciated.

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Well it sounds like you are doing a lot right with your crate which makes it trickier to give advice. Are you giving him something to chew when he goes into the crate?

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Just to make it clear. The puppy DOES understand sit and lay down, he does it everytime on command or using the hand motions. But those are just about the only thing he responds to (he comes sometimes, but not when he's distracted). His biggest problem is that he doesn't understand "No" or any concept of punishment and his snapping back and aggressive behavoir is beginning to become a problem. It's difficult to correct his biting and chewing by giving him toys because when you hand him the toy he just bites your hand. Or when he's in his "biting mood" he just wants to bite...and most of the time he just wants to bite people. Also, he growls and barks and pulls his ears back when he does this. I guess he's probably just being playful, but he doesn't play in any other way and he just about NEVER licks people or plays nice (unless they are strangers who get really excited to see him). There must be some way to get him to play nice or stop biting people. I mean, just while playing with him for 15 minutes last weekend he drew blood on my hands and arms in 5 different spots.

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