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Old 02-09-2009, 10:18 AM   #1
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Default Puppy Play - How much is too much?

We brought our second baby home last night (Bailey, a flat-coated retriever mix), and she met our first pup (Pitufo, a Yorkie) outside our home--pics are coming soon! They were in the crate together and doing fine.

So, after we brought them home, the Royal Rumble started :0) They jump all over each other and tumble around and bite and do all the stuff that I would expect puppies to do. Well we attempt to establish beds, and they won't have much to do with it, they want to lie in each other's beds and climb all over each other when they're lying down.

I would have no cause for concern except that's the only way they seem to interact! At the moment, it's all competition. Lots of jumping and biting and fighting for the same toys. No whimpering or crying, though, so I guess they're not biting that hard.

Honestly, I'm not that worried, but it's freaking my wife out haha. Any advice from anyone with two non-littermate pups would be greatly appreciated, just so we know that eventually they'll be loving siblings. Thanks!

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Old 02-09-2009, 10:51 AM   #2
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Hi CJ You do have your hands full don't you The thing you will have to keep a eye on things is top dog which one will it be ( who knows!) You both have to be pack leaders from day 1. You both have to sing from the same hymn sheet on training issues, you both have to set boundaries both physical ones and mental ones Treat both dogs the same! As for play time set aside 15 - 20 mins a day and try and involve them both in play and start training with little games like find the treat hidden under a mat or something it's great for the pups and keeps them from getting bored I wouldn't do more than 30 mins a day gradualy build up the time. And lf using a tugger let them win occasionaly but not all the time. And above all have fun
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LOL! I just wrote up a big thread on introducing a second dog to the household for the FAQ, but it hasn't been posted yet as the mod's need to look it over.

Don't let them be together all the time. Slow down a bit, let Pitufo get used to the idea that Bailey is around for good. The outside the home meeting was an excellent start. But to make things easier from this point forward confine Bailey to one room (with a babygate if possible, allows them to check eachother out without direct interaction) and let Pitufo have the run of the rest of the house. For short spans of time let Pitufo into Bailey's space to play with supervision. Encourage them to share the toys, not fight over them. If bickering is all they are doing: separate them. Eventually they will get the idea: play nice, or no play. It takes time for a single dog to get used to another one being around.

Also, you mentioned them being crated 'together'? I assume that means putting them into the same crate? I would not do this. Bailey should have his own crate to chill out in. Crating them together for now could create friction and delay the acceptance.
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Agree with Draco on the bed situation though seperate beds ( I don't believe in crateing, It's my own opinion each to there own )
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Agree with Draco on the bed situation though seperate beds ( I don't believe in crateing, It's my own opinion each to there own )
To each their own is correct. The reason I like getting a dog accustomed to being crated is that you never when a circumstance is going to arise where you may need to crate. Ash and Parker are both crate trained, Parker's prior crate training allowed us to transition him into our household much easier as we had a place to put him at night while we got used to what he was going to get into. Secondarily, because both my boys are well crate-trained they can come to work with me at the pet resort, spending the interrim time inside their crates in the training room. Because Mya was not crate trained and freaks out to the point where she broke a crate when my husband tried it, she is missing out on being to come to work with me. It's a shame, because she would really enjoy getting out their and playing with other dogs. But her situation limits me. We are working on retraining her to like a crate... but it's slow going. I would never force it on a dog, but many end up liking having a crate even lying in it with the door open. It becomes 'their' space. My crew has run of the house 24/7, Parker will eventually have that as well. I don't regularly crate while I am away, more or less use it a as transition tool. It does tend to make things simpler while getting a dog adjusted to a new home, especially a puppy.
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Thanks all for your responses!

As far as sleeping arrangements, they each have their OWN crates. When we picked up Bailey, we dropped off Pitufo for a little while because she also does grooming. So they each got a bath, and Pitufo a slight trim, and when we came back she had put them both in Pitufo's crate. Then we introduced Bailey to her own when she got home. Miraculously, the first night with them both in their crates was wonderful! Only about a minute of crying the whole night :0)

As far as their "beds", we bought a couple of little doggie beds for the living room since there's no carpeting; we wanted each to have a soft place to lay while they're hanging out there.

Also, we only had Pitufo for 9 days before Bailey, so I guess it's not quite the same as a new puppy invading the older dog's space. I'm going to keep on letting them play-fight and hope that nothing serious comes out of it; I guess they're just establishing slots in the pack. Thanks!

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that's what puppies do is play

They will probably hurt one another a little , that's how they will learn bite inhibition between themselves

bite too hard = play time stops for a minute

I don't think it has much to do with status , they are just playing around but it will be uo to you to make sure it doesn't escalate and become too competitive or inappropriate
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ne thing is, make sure they get enough sleep.

Sometimes puppies play t much and it wears them out. Example flat might have more energy than yorkie.

Keep yur eyes pen for when One dg is getting verly tired and this usually shws by being grumpy/snippy as in children. then make sure they get separated and a chance t sleep.
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Puppy play is good for them, it is exercise daily, eating together is fine in each ones bowel, crating seperate. They might squeal once in a while but it is good for puppies to entertain each other and never become aloof. My dogs are best friends. I do not come inside and leave a pack of dogs running all day.

I leave certain ones together if I need to be inside for a length of time. I do not have one that tries to run the pack as they know I am the BOSS. I do not believe in an Alph, I used to until I had to step in and control a posture, or grumble. They will be best friends. Your doing just as I would, letting them play, have fun, be best friends, but your always the BOSS AND LEADER. This must be taught to each one. Give one on one time also.

Crating alone of couse, not together. I import in one crate two pups to save money, but when they come they are on their own. They are taught manners, behavior, learning right from wrong, to eat together with NO agression. I am living proff that dogs can run together, eat together, sleep in the same quarters a large room for example and stay together with no problems.

You can do the same using Positive methods to train and teach. Be firm in commands, but no screaming if you feel the are rough as they grow as they will be. They will compete for a ball for instance, but one will learn to let the other get to it first. Dogs can learn to get along and live together just fine, it is up to you.
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LOL! Shep, yours isn't the only house that proves that. All my dogs live inside the house with us. Ash and Mya free roam all the time, Parker will eventually as well, as soon as we have him adjusted to our household.

It's for the best that dogs in the same household get along and share things well.
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