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Old 01-17-2009, 10:00 AM   #1
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Default Puppy problems I'm at my wit's end...

Around 26th December, I got a new puppy - a very pretty little thing - but upon getting her home we found many problems... and I am beginning to worry that she can't stay =( and I don't know what to do anymore

1) we cannot housetrain her.. We had no luck at all with those store bought puppy pads, and so we tried crate training. We had her on a schedule where she ate, then we would watch and wait. About 3 hours before her next meal, we would put her in her crate, and let her out for food and potty, and so on, but she always did it when we weren't looking. We then changed it to 5 hours in the crate, then eat/potty and an hour out, and she started wetting whatever was in there. So, we took out the blankets etc and leave the crate bare, and now she just wets herself in there. She doesn't give any sign when she wets, there's just a few droplets here and there.

2) She was born without almost no tail, and what is there is boneless so it hangs down. We had planned to have it removed. Like peeing, she seems to have no notion when it's happening, and she often has a wet surprise down there if you pick her up, and you get soiled. The schedule and crating doesn't seem to have any impact.

3) We took her to the vet shortly after getting her, and he told us she had ear mites - so we are treating that, and the stool sample showed she also had an intestinal parasite called crypto-sporidium, so it's vital we wash our hands after touching her.

4) Biting, this is a minor problem if all else were fixed, but she bites and we can't get her to stop

5) the book says you can't train them before 2 months, and by 3 months they get rebellious and no longer want to learn (so that seems to mean you can't train them at all.. =/)

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Breed: Shih Tsu
Birthdate: She was born October 7, 2008

References - for training and stuff we looked up the oft-contradictory things on the web, but went with Puppies for Dummies.

Before her, we had 3 dogs that lived to be 16 and of course by the end, they were messing everywhere.. At this point, we're despairing that with all her problems that we can't keep her

I'm at my wit's end

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Old 01-17-2009, 10:25 AM   #2
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I can't help with everything there , but I can tell you that 5 hours in a crate for a puppy is entirely too long . Their bladders are not developed , neither is their control , 3 hours tops with very gradual increases over time . Once they soil their crate (den) they may think it's oK and I don't know what steps to take to correct . I can tell you this though , no dog wants to sit around crapping itself . Perhaps taking the dog out on a lead to do his business insted of just letting it out to do it . This way you can see when the deed is done and give immediate praise , associating it with the "pee-pee' command . Walkind and excersise will help to get the solids going , praise that as well .

plus , that book is ignorant , you can train a dog anytime , always best to start earlier , but you can get a dog that's 5 years old and train it to adapt

there a a lot of very VERY knowledgeable ppl here , some professionals , so read up and be ready to put in the time it takes and I'm confident all will be well .
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Old 01-17-2009, 10:57 AM   #3
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All I have to say is go through the FAQ's, theres lots of threads about pee-training. Also, if she gives no signs and is unaware when she wets, there may be a urine infection somewhere? Try taking her to the vets again and get a urine sample tested.

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Old 01-17-2009, 10:59 AM   #4
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I agree with Necknot. The quote from the book is entirely wrong i would abandon the crateing it's not working. Puppies have very small bladders and need to be taken out in te yard/garden frequently when she gets it's right praise lavishly and reward with a treat1 And when she gets it wrong don't scold/tell off just clear the mess up Biting is normal but should be stopped! One way is to let out a high pitched yelp as though you was one of her other litter mates be consistant in this. Or you could try ignoring it by getting up from where it happend and walk away completly no eye coantact, no petting, no games! in other words no interaction. This will tell the puppy that when she nips the fun stops, she will soon learn to associate that nipping = no fun not nipping will mean the much needed contact the pup wants will continue Socialisation is extremly important too Start this as soon as the second vacinations have been given and allow 2 weeks for the vaccinations to take effect then you can introduce her to new dogs and people Good luck
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I'm disappointed you are thinking you might have to re home your pup because she is having toilet training problems a lot of puppies take a while to get the hang of toilet training.


You have owned her less than a month which isnt very long, have you contacted her breeder for advice? Look on this forum for other ****zu owners whom would be happy to advise you.

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Oh My she has a catalog of problems that came with her, but all can be fixed, it takes time and patience with a new puppy. It does kinda seem like the little creatures are harder to break and train than larger breeds at times.

Crate training it should NOT be in it longer than 4 hours and that is stretching it honey. Take that puppy out the same door always to the same area and wait. When it goes pet n praise, hugs, kisses, etc. It does not take so long to potty break if you do it often so it knows going inside is wrong.

The nipping part, hand it a toy when it starts and get up and ignore it. Tell it: No, not nice firmly, but not loud to scare it to death. Best method is to not play at all and ignore it, when it can play nice reward it.

Here is a link of all you need to learn to teach the puppy and then come back and brag to us it is all done and was so easy:
http://www.k9web.com/dog-faqs/new-puppy.html
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I'm disappointed you are thinking you might have to re home your pup because she is having toilet training problems a lot of puppies take a while to get the hang of toilet training.


You have owned her less than a month which isnt very long, have you contacted her breeder for advice? Look on this forum for other ****zu owners whom would be happy to advise you.

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Loveshack I too would be disapointed if it was just a house training problem but she has all the usual puppy related problems and found it overwhelming and hard to deal with. So with our blend odf support and advice I believe this puppy can be a fine well balanced, happy family pet
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Hi, welcome to the forum. Sorry to hear you are finding your puupy problems so overwhelming!

Take heart, provided she has no physical problems, most of this is fairly normal and can be sorted with a bit of patience and consistency. You should find the links to thread on house-training very helpful.....and don't worry about her age, all dogs can be trained. Just stick with it, take her out as frequently as possible so she has a chance to get it right.

I'm interested to hear, however, that she has no tail and that what she does have hangs down lifelessly. The Lhasa Apso tail should be carried up high and over her back. In combination with what you say about her apparent lack of awareness about her bladder, and the crate training having no impact, I can't help wondering if she in fact has a physical problem in this area - connected to her lack of tail perhaps, maybe she has some kind of other pelvic deformity?

I knew of a female dog born with no urethra (no pee tube from the bladder to the outside!), so her bladder emptied straight into her vagina - meaning the dog had no real control once her bladder was full, and unless the owner paid strict attention to a routine, the dog would unwittingly pee wherever she stood.

Of course, a urine or bladder infection could also cause her to lose control - even us humans lose a bit of control when we get cystitis.

Did you get her from a breeder? I wonder if they could shed any light on this. In the meantime, I think another trip to the vet to have a physical problem, or indeed an infection, ruled out.

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I had my akita puppy at 8 weeks old and after reading they are very clean animals she decided to prove me wrong. She would pee and poop in her cage and literally lie in it, I had to wash her often as she didn't seem to mind or notice it. She never cried for me to let her out of the crate at night but luckily was dry at night within a couple of weeks. Daytime dry has however taken a lot longer and she is still not reliably dry at 7 months. She will have just come in from outside and then pee on the floor. I have to take her outside hourly and insist she goes, I have a special word for her, and then only let her back inside once she has done so. I never leave her locked up or unable to get outside for more than 2 hours other than night time.

The nipping was insane also, even the breeder said she had never known a puppy so intent on chewing feet! She also nipped our arms and any bit of clothing she could get hold of. She would sometimes hurt but we just said "ouch" and turned away but she never paid attention so in the end after she hurt us a few times we would gently hold her muzzle and say "no bite" and that along with "ouch" cured her after a month. She doesn't nip now but in true akita style she loves to mouth which doesn't hurt at all.

We are now slowly getting our lovely almost well behaved young lady akita but it has by no means been an easy road and I could have cheerfully given her to someone else on many occasions but of course I never would, we love her to bits.

At 4 months she was diagnosed with hip dysplasia and we have wondered whether that has had any baring on her inability to hold herself for long as she also doesn't wag her tail at all and never has. So I do wonder if your puppy's tail problem could be linked to her being unable to hold herself for long?

Just a thought good luck with your puppy

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@Biting

We tried the "ignore her and withdraw play" thing for a week, but it made no impression. It's all she wants to do with people.. both my hands are very sore. If you have her on your lap, or pet her, all she does is crane her neck around with those sharp little teeth and try to take a bite out of you. If you offer a toy, she ignores the toy and goes for the fingers.
Anyway, we'll try the yelping thing, but I think she just likes to bite fingers

@Housetraining

Someone told me she may have a bladder infection, in addition to all her other problems.. and we worked so hard and waited so long to AVOID a puppy mill puppy.. seems we got the worst of the lot anyway =(

@Going Out
At present it's -30 below here and we don't want to take her out in that kind of cold, so we're trying to get her used to a pad first

There seems to be no rhyme nor reason, nor sign when she is going. We find little trails of wet where she's walked, or spots of wee on the floor, but she doesn't circle or do anything else to indicate she has to go. The poo, well, sometimes we find these large dry turds but also she often has a sort of wet messy amount at her back end that gets smeared on you if you pick her up or put her on your lap.

Thanks for your advice, I read it all and I will try. Sorry I can't be more enthusiastic.. I just spent the past 5 years caring for 3 geriatric dogs who were senile and messed everywhere and all they ever did was slept and I guess I was hoping for a dog that would be less work, and more fun, whereas she is actually more trouble than all 3 of them..

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