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Old 12-10-2008, 08:05 AM   #1
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Hi all,

We brought home our new pup Saturday morning (6 week old Welsh Border Collie named Merlin). Having introduced him to our 8 month old Staffie (named Thundar), they were friends at first sight, Thundar hasn't shown any aggression or hesitation towards the pup at all, they happily share toys and water bowls (without any encouragement from us!).

Merlin loves Thundar and likes to play for short periods between naps and feedings. Thundar also loves Merlin and wants to play, a lot, all the time in fact. Thundar being older is also a lot bigger, and more rough, so my first concern is him accidently hurting the pup, which has happened on occasion.

My second concern is the kind of playing that is going on. They appear to be enjoying each others company, but Thundar is doing what I assume to be a 'dominating' thing of scooping the pup under himself and preventing him escaping if he tries (he mauls him). He doesn't hurt him and he's not being aggressive, and he will roll onto his back for the pup to climb on him.
It's probably natural play for new pals as they learn where they stand with each other, but I do hope in time Thundar will want to spend a little less time playing so rough.

Obviously play times are supervised and any unsupervised time together isn't allowed at this point. I'm trying to keep play times short with 'time out's when Thundar gets a little too carried away. But my goal of keeping them together at night seems far out of reach and I wonder if they'll ever stop playing!

It's also a concern that Thundar will almost completely ignore us while playing with the pup, so I started whistle training and it seems to be working. Thundar now comes like a shot and sits for his treat, with Merlin tottering behind.

I'm starting "break it up" training using the whistle as an aid at first, hoping eventually both dogs will come and sit on a command such as "time out". But still this won't help when they're alone at night, the pup would be mauled to death by the morning
Does anyone have any ideas to calm down the play time maybe into some rest times, or will nature have to take its course?


Thanks in advance!

PS if anyone is experienced with "Welsh" border-collies, it would be nice to have an opinion on his markings (or at least what you can tell from a picture).

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Why is he away from his mother already? 6 weeks is way too young to be away from the litter under normal circumstances. Sounds like you have a challenge ahead of you with a new pup and a slightly older pup to train. Good luck. Pictures?

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It sounds like you are in luck with Thundar and Merlin getting along so well. Thundar can teach Merlin how to be a dog! I doubt it is going to calm down - on the contrary the playing will probably get rougher as the little one gets older!

There are a couple of things I'd be on the lookout for and I hate being a pessimist but if it were me I'd keep my eyes open for two things.

One is that little puppies can get away with murder as far as an older dog is concerned until the puppy is about 4 months old, then the part is over. So things may change then. the second is that your Staff is still a puppy himself. If he has any natural tendency to be dog aggressive, it may show up when he is about 2 years old. So things might change between these two buddies then too.
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Why is he away from his mother already? 6 weeks is way too young to be away from the litter under normal circumstances. Sounds like you have a challenge ahead of you with a new pup and a slightly older pup to train. Good luck. Pictures?
Thanks for the replies!

I know 6 weeks is too young, but from what I was told he's been away from the mother from 3 weeks after having injections to stop the pups vomiting. As I said in another thread, this information is very worrying, we're lucky he's healthy and happy.


We are lucky with Thundar, he's being good as gold.

It was quite encouraging to get home today and see Thundar and the pup actually leave each other alone for a period, hopefully this will continue!

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Did you do any research before you bought this pup? Ifeel you should have questioned the breeder more on why they had to have injections because they were vomitting .

You say you realise 6 weeks is too young, well all I can say is you should not have taken the pup home, but the deed has been done now .

In the other thread you posted you said you did not believe what the breeder told you about worming. If you have such a low opinion of the breeder why buy from her/him in the first place.

I just feel there is something not quite right about all this and I really feel for your poor puppy.

Sounds like you bought from a ByB or a puppy farmer.

I do hope for the puppies sake that things work out.
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Regardless of whether the pup was nursing until 8 weeks, it is important to stay with the litter and mom to learn proper socialization. Just FYI.

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No I didn't walk in there a complete noob to pups, I've had my own litter in the past (Thundar is from that litter), yes I did ask a LOT of questions, and yes it was very dodgy and is being investigated. There's obviously a LOT more to the story that I'm not going to post up on a forum. And thank you but the puppy is very happy now and doesn't need feeling sorry for.

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Regardless of whether the pup was nursing until 8 weeks, it is important to stay with the litter and mom to learn proper socialization. Just FYI.
Thanks for the information, but as said I already knew that.

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I wouldn't leave the two alone together until the pup is over 6 months old - due to size & the fact that around 6 months of age the pup will be reaching "maturity" & you might see more dominance issues then. I've got a small dog & 2 big dogs - so it stinks as I can't leave them alone together due to size.
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I wouldn't leave the two alone together until the pup is over 6 months old - due to size & the fact that around 6 months of age the pup will be reaching "maturity" & you might see more dominance issues then. I've got a small dog & 2 big dogs - so it stinks as I can't leave them alone together due to size.
Trust me I have no intention of leaving them together for some time yet(!)


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