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Old 10-08-2008, 11:54 AM   #1
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Hi,

I wondered if anyone could help me.

We got our Sprocker pup at 7 weeks (he is now 12.5 weeks) and I am having a few problems bonding with him.

I think it is linked to him being ill when we first got him. He spent his second night in the vets on a drip - he developed cronic diahorria and he was so poorly we couldn't wake him. Anyway, he came back from the vet the next day and was OK but soon developed colitis and spent 2/3 weeks suffering. I found it tough to bond with him because I was concerned he was ill and was worried he might die (morbid I know, but I was fearful after losing our 14.5 year old sprocker last November).

Anyway, he has since recovered from the collitis after we changed his food to James Wellbeloved and we are really pleased. It was such a worry.

The problem I have now is that he bites alot (usually when I try to discipline him) and because of this I tend to avoid contact. I tend to avoid playing with him too because he soon decides my hands or clothes are better to play with (my husband plays with him).
I guess I find it tough because our old dog was so faithful and the new guy isn't (yet) and I just want to show him affection but when I do he gets over excited and bites.

Is there anything anyone would recommend to reinforce the bond? I have taught him 'sit' and 'down' and he seems to respond well to that - we both enjoy it. Maybe that is the way forward?

I am sad sometimes because I desperately want for him to love me. Having a new friend was supposed to be fun not fearful.

We are trying our best to raise him well (things like toilet training are going well) and we have a book called 'The perfect puppy' which I read alot but I just feel like I am the only one having these problems. Everyone else loves the pup but he doesn't bite them!

Any ideas would be really welcome.

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Hi stantheman and welcome to the forum. I'm sorry to hear your puppy was so sick!

I'd say there are a few things that would be helpful to you.

One is to realize that all puppies nip and it seems to be at its worst at that age. There are ways to deal with it and I think it might be useful to you to read through this thread
How to: Stop puppy biting / nipping . The nipping is his way to trying to play with you, the same way he would play with other doggies if they were around. If your husband is encouraging the biting as part of play I think I'd have a word with hubby and tell him to stop.

Another is that "disciplining" a puppy isn't likely to get you anywhere. At 12 weeks this is about like disciplining an 18 month old human baby. They have no conception of right and wrong and you'll get further faster by managing the situations so that the puppy does not do something "wrong" in the first place.

Finally, if puppy thinks of hubby as the "fun" person because he gets to play with him (as opposed to you) then really I'd get hubby to lay off any nippy playtime. And I'd make a point of doing fun things with the puppy, like giving him a favorite toy, being the one to train him and reward him with treats etc. Otherwise you end up being the boring one and hubby is the "fun" one.

Hope this helps!
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Sorry your having a problem with your new puppy. It was very young to begin with and getting ill might of had something to do with his poor care at the Breeder or Shelter?

The more love and attention you offer the quicker he will bond to you, but if you truly fear this puppy he will only get worse. Respect for a puppy to learn from you is gained from training and lots of attention you give. Puppy will learn to look up to you for guidance and right from wrong if you work with him. Have patience and keep working, if he bites, give a loud Ouch or Yelp like a puppy might do when hurt. Hand a toy and slowly slip your hand away. If he continues get up and go do something else in another room, some do this for more attention until it becomed a bad habit to break.

Everytime he bites give a sharp No, Ouch or Yelp and leave the pup alone. He will slowly quit and get lighter in a bite. Get plenty of safe shew toys and daily exercise such as a brisk walk is a must also. Walking a puppy or dog is a bonding exercise also, so sing or talk to him while walking. I am always yet talking to my dogs inside with me. They listen, may not know what I am saying but they love the attention when I look into their eyes and ask a question or just say something that might be bothering me.

When playing with the puppy do not play tug of war or wrestle as these games can make it more outgoing or agressive to early in life. Keep games a quiet exercise and fun for both of you. Tie up an old soak, get flavored small nylabones. I get huge ones for my Shepherds they lay and chew on most every day.

I wish you the best and hope I have offered something you can pick up on and work with your puppy. Good luck...and have fun, enjoy your pet.
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Old 10-08-2008, 12:46 PM   #4
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Thanks both for your help.

I really want to enjoy him. I think I have forgotten how a puppy can be. We are going to start puppy training very soon and I am hoping this will help. He seems really clever and picks up commands very quickly.

We walk him 3 times a day - only short walks because of his bones.

My husband does wrestle with him. When he bites me he growls too because he is excited I guess, like you said, he thinks I am his play thing!

I am so glad we have found this forum, it has already been loads of help.

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Puppies use there teeth like we use are hands, to touch and explore. believe it or not biting you is his way of bonding with you. You just need to let him know when he's gone to far. Think of a litter of pups playing, they jump on each other, bite each other and roll on the floor. This is all part of bonding. But if one pup gets to ruff the other pup lets out a yelp, as to say “that hurt”, that's what you need to do. By jumping on you and biting and playing he's saying I love you and want to be with you, but he has to learn what is and is not acceptable in the human world, he's only a baby, and it will take time for him to grow in to the loving caring grown up that your last dog was. I don't know if you have kids, but they can seem very hurtful when they are being naughty and messing about, but you know they love you, your pup will be like a kid till about two years old. So when he's giving you a hard time , just take a deep breath and say to your self, he's only a baby, he will grow out of it.
Good luck and enjoy the puppy days as they are over far to soon
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I really want to enjoy him. I think I have forgotten how a puppy can be. We are going to start puppy training very soon and I am hoping this will help. He seems really clever and picks up commands very quickly.
I teach a puppy class and you have no idea how often I hear people sigh and tell me how naughty the new puppy is and how good their old dog was / is. Yes, we forget puppy stage very quickly or we would probably never have another one - lol. It is totally normal to have the odd 'what have we done?' moment.

It sounds as if your puppy is behaving very normally, but they aren't always the lovable angelic little creatures we are led to believe. They are hard work and a lot of responsibility when they are little, especially if you have also had to cope with a loss of a previous pet and illness. Yes, they are cute, but they are rarely quite as easy to love as a well trained older dog who has been a part of your family for a long time and who knows you inside and out, anticipates your routine, comforts you when you are down etc. Puppies are all about MEEEEEEE.

The good news is that you seem to be doing a lot right. Reading up to remind yourself about puppies, seeking veterinary care when the pup was unwell, seeking out a better food, and already organising training (a great idea IMO!) and seeking advice. Well done. I wonder if you are putting a lot of pressure on yourself to be a perfect puppy parent? If so, ease up on yourself, I think this puppy has landed on his feet, and bonds sometimes take time.

For puppy biting have a read of this excellent article:

http://www.dogstardaily.com/training/puppy-biting

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You've been given some good advice by Skunk and Kaos. The links are good too. If after reading them you have questions, don't hesitate to post.

As to the bonding, relax. I never fully bond with my dogs for about a year. I understand that the puppy has to learn how to love in return. As I need to feel wanted to feel that bond, I just wait for the pup to mature. It's true that for puppys, it's all about ME (the puppy)! It almost always takes me 12 months before I feel we are developing the type of bond I look for.

In the meantime, enjoy your pup for his silly antics and silly misbehavior. Puppyhood is really cute. Don't worry about the bond. It will come over time.

Going to puppy class is an awesome step, BTW. I find training really helps me develop the bond I want with my dogs.
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For puppy biting have a read of this excellent article:

http://www.dogstardaily.com/training/puppy-biting
This is the link I also recommend. There is tons of information on the rest of the site, you only have to do a search.

I've had my 8.5 m/o pup since April after my 15 y/o dog died. Because she gets up to so much mischief, always putting things in her mouth that she shouldn't & me taking them out, I also don't feel we have bonded as much as I'd like. It's coming slowly. But thanks, agility, it makes me also feel better about her. She doesn't bite though, she was a little older when we got her & I think she learned bite inhibition from her litter mates.

Enjoy your little fellow & I hope you have a great time at kindergarten.
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Thank you all so much for your advice.

I couldn't reply last night because I was at Stanley's final puppy party!

My husband says that I am being too hard on myself too and it is comforting to know that I am not the only one who feels the way I do.

I already feel more positive. I have started talking to him alot more and he seems to be responding already.

I can't tell you how relieved I feel.

Puppy training classes start next Tuesday.

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that's great. now where are the puppy photos
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