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Old 10-01-2008, 04:47 AM   #1
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Default Toilet training help please

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I'm new and I have a 8 week old westie pup. I posted this in the training section but I think this is the correct place really.

Can anyone give me some hints about toilet training him?

He has a puppy pad by the back door which he has access too and I praise him when he either uses it correctly or goes outside but I was wondering if I am doing the right things?

If he has an accident inside I wait till he is finished and then pick him up and place him either outside or on his pad and say NO!

Do I say no as soon as he is finished or pick him up after and say no once on the pad or outside.

I never scold him if I find one thats been done when I havent seen because I am told this will just confuse him as he wont know what I am telling him off for.

How long does it take to get him trainin

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Hi and welcome to the forum, congratulations on your new pup, he's gorgeous!

He's still very young, so you can expect toilet training to take a couple of months to be totally cracked.

The puppy pads can actually be detrimental in the long run, as it confuses the dog into thinking that it is sometimes acceptable to pee inside, whereas what you're aiming for is to teach never to pee inside.

I was using papers with my collie when I got her (who was 16months old and not housetrained) and six months later she still thought it was ok to pee and poop in the kitchen (where i'd let her go on paper)

With such a young puppy it should be a lot easier to imprint the housetraining rules. When you see him going, say 'NO' while he is in the act. Timing is everything, if you wait until he finishes to say no, then the association will not be made and you will confuse him.

Say No, then take him outside and wait for him to go. When he goes outside, praise him lots and make a huge fuss of him, it won't take long for him to realise it makes you happy.

With an 8 week old you should make sure to let him out at least every hour, and definitely just after he has eaten. Wait around for him to go, then praise him up. It is far more effective to positively condition him when he's already outside, than waiting for him to mess inside and then saying no.

When I changed to this method with my dog, it took her literally a week to realise what I wanted and it was all uphill from there. Dogs like to please you, you just need to make it clear to them how.

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Hello, welcome to the forum

Toilet training varies from pup to pup really but I would say you'd have to wait 2-3 weeks at least to see some results and certainly don't expect him to be fully trained in that time, it takes a while!

Personally I don't think that puppy pads are a good idea at all if you have a garden. Trying to teach a pup that there's one spot in the house that's 'ok' to go on but no where else, seems like a strange idea to me because then you take that pad away and effectively have to teach him what you wanted from the start.... that the only acceptable place to toilet is in the garden and not that spot where you said it was 'ok' before. I just think they're too confusing and a lot more work for you and him

I would forget the pad and just use the garden as the place to go That's great and you're right about not scolding, I wouldn't even do it when you do see him 'doing the deed' in the house as he'll just learn that he needs to be out of sight of you to do it instead. I always took mine straight outside if I saw they'd had an accident like you, but you ALWAYS have to be on the look out for 'signs' and take them outside very, very regularly to relieve themselves and then praise like a mad person when they do it where you want It really is the best way to get quicker results. When I say 'signs', they usually have a tell tale thing they do before they need to toilet that gives them away and gives you enough time to whip them outside.

Maybe one last thing, if he does have an accident in the house, make sure it is REALLY well cleaned up. Obviously it's the sort of thing people do anyway, but if there's any smell left he may begin to associate it as a spot to go again.

Hope that helps! Would love to see some photos!
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Old 10-01-2008, 05:15 AM   #4
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Thanks for the advice. I think I will ditch the pad.

He's being really good and and take him outside when he has eaten and wait for him to 'do the deed' and then when he has I really praise him and he bounces around very proud of himself!

I know its going to take a fair few weeks/months to train him and also get used to his routine.

We luckily have a tiled floor all downstairs so any little accidents are cleaned up really well.

Right now he is crashed out in his crate.

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Hi what a darling puppy. How about keeping a lead on while in the kitchen, spend some time, place the handle of it under a table leg. If you catch it smelling and sniffing, pick up and exit same door to same area.

Or crate training is a great way to get a dog potty trained. Always exit the same door, hang bells or ring of old keys on a ribbon or big ring, they can learn to bat those hang low for yours. Take out and stop at same area always, it only takes a week to train a smart pup.

At night keep in its crate with no food nor water just a toy, burn a night light and play a radio softly. They learn to love a crate like its their den. Never use for punishment. Put in late as possible and lift the water bowel about six pm. feed at four last feeding, it should be done to get cleaned out. Of course expect an accident, u could leave papers at the door u exit in case of. Good luck

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Here a a few pics of George
He is now the love of my life

Oh and any idea's on how to stop him jumping on a crawling toddler?

I presume that she is the same size as his mum and dad, plus she is on all fours as well so it would be natural for George to want to play with her
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Old 10-01-2008, 05:30 AM   #7
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He already loves his crate. If he crashed out on me while I'm petting him all I need to do is place him in it and he'll stay there for hours.

Plus he is happy to stay in there if he is awake for a short while.

Overall, he is a very good little boy

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Just love that little dog after looking day after day of my huge Shepherds he looks like a toy they would think so.

Again, keep a leash till the people are inside and settled, then slowly let the pup loose and maybe yet keep in the kitchen till he listens to commands you should be teaching sit, down, lay, etc anyhow. It would only take a day or two to stop this. No treats.!! Make him,her learn to SIT while people come in to visit. Then let go when all are settled into chairs.
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George is very cute. I gave you some links in the training forum. You will also find the answers to your jumping problem & many others you're likely to come across. Just use the search bar.
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Hi Kiz Puppies at 8 weeks old learn quickly compared to say a 1 year + dog A couple of things though! what room does he sleep in? Keep this room as his sleepling area, don't chop and change! Also has he started to cry yet when you go to bed? To stop this use a old 'T' shirt rubbed on your body then put in his bed along with a ticking watch/clock this will resemble his mothers scent and heart beat, and should eliviate any seperation issues. I used it on my dog from a early age and removed both the 'T' shirt and the watch after about 2 - 3 months and there has been no crying/whining ever. Re the puppy pads I would leave these in place a little longer once he gets that right say 8 out of 10 times progress to the yard/garden and praise him lavishly each time he gets it right, wether it's on a pad or out side BTW he's a beautiful pup Enjoy him

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