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Old 09-01-2008, 02:51 PM   #1
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Question New puppy- screaming in crate constantly

I have come into the 'possession' (hate using that word in relation to dogs) of a gorgeous chihuahua pup. He is lovely, only problem is I use crate training for puppies in order to house train them. My Tommy loved his crate, (these days he still has it, but door open, as his little den). Tommy cried at first but settled after an hour or so, with frequent bouts of sleeping-waking-crying. My problem is Billy-Noah doesn't seme to stop crying! After his dinner I took him into garden, waited til he did the deeds, and put him in his crate. He has screamed for 2 hours!

I wanted to use the Tamar Gellar "Loved Dog" approach, ( at least I think it's in her book?? I have read too many!!) of an hour in the crate, an hour out, an hour in, etc. But at the mo, every time I let him out, he is going to think it's because his screaming has made me.

Also, last night was his first night. I put him in his crate an hr and a half before we went bed to let him settle, (or get tired of crying). 3 and a half hours later he was still shreiking, so he ended up in bed with us. I have no probs with dogs in bedroom, our other 4 sleep in bedroom and I wouldn't have it any other way, but not with an unhousetrained puppy!!!!

So any advice? I know it's a case of time but I hate to hear him cry for him and also me! I work from home so do hope it settles.
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Where is the crate? If it's not in your bedroom, could you move it in there? Are you doing the usual things - covering the crate with a towel, put a t-shirt of yours in there, ticking clock? I assume you know all this so I don't want to make you sound silly.

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You seem to have a good understanding of how crate training goes. Yes, if you return to him when he's crying, it will reinforce the crying. I had the same issue with Jericho. I had his crate in the bedroom, but he still screamed. So, I just put his crate at the other end of the house and closed all the doors I could between him and I. I also put him there with a stuffed Kong. He'd eat on the Kong for about 20 minutes and then start the crying...for hours. It took him literally months, but I did not give in. Eventually his crying lessened from hours to hour to 30 minutes to 20 minutes, etc. When it lessened enough, I brought his crate into the room next to mine with the doors open. I, personally, do not like my puppies to be crated out of my bedroom because if they get in distress during the night, I want to hear it and know it. Finally, at about six months, Jericho was not crying anymore and was able to move into my bedroom in his crate. At five years, I have him crated some nights and free some nights.

I also had to work on crate training at agility trials as he struggled with that as well He's great in his crate at shows now.

Just remember, whenever you give in, you are rewarding the screaming and it will be harder to stop later. If you haven't, try the stuffed Kong.
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Hi thanks for replies!!

If I leave crate in bedroom he can hear us and the other dogs- and it more desperate to get out! Last night was our first night, and yes, I have in, and had him on our bed where he proceeded to wee and poo completely my fault. So from this morning I have started with crate again at intervals.

Have just had him out back tyring to wear him out, and he was crying tyring to get back in house! He had a little run then that was it, he was determined to come in.

I have moved his crate to the games room in our basement. I wont hear him if he wants to go toilet, (which is major problem) but he wont keep us up all night and I wont give in. It also means the other dogs are getting upset by hearing him scream, they were quite distressed when his cries got high pitched. I have left a light on down there and put my cd player down there with the radio on. The crate has a fleece bed in, a fleecy Kong Snugga Wubba, a tiny kong puppy classic with some of his food in, (he is only 9 weeks old so don't want to uspet his tum with treats yet??) and some nylabone toys if he wants a good chew!

So hopefully this will work? I just don't want him upset all night distressed.
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Give it a try. If you're using kibble food, it won't work well in a Kong. But you can use canned dog food in the Kong if you don't want to use anything but dog food.

It is true that not hearing them when they need to go out at night is an issue. Maybe you could set an alarm and get up in the middle of the night to let him out till he's older? My puppies are larger dogs and always able to hold it through the night even as eight week old pups, but toy breeds are different.
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This is what I've planned to do, my husband is checking on him in middle of night and I get up at 5:30 to walk my other dogs so can check on him again. I got given Pedigree Puppy food which he has been fed on, (the type you pour boiling water on it to get it soft). I am not keen on pedigree foods, I use James Wellbeloved and Arden Grange, so this is another issue I will raise in few weeks once he's settled!
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I think you know what you're doing. Just keep up the good work.
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My only thought atm is, how was he introduced to the crate? Was it slowly, or was he put in there cold without being contained b4?
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Hi again! Thanks for replies.

Billy Noah was in a crate in his first home, albeit was with his 2 brothers.I brought a blanket from his first home for his new crate. I have been feeding him in his crate, and putting puppy toys in it.

Last night I put the crate in games room as planned, so we could have some sleep! At 3am he was crying when checked on, and had already messed. At 5:30 I listened and he was crying, so don't know whether they was continual. However I had already planned to let him out for a wee, (so hope he doesn't think I let him out because he was crying).I put him back in after 10 mins. At 7:30 I came in from my walk and he was silent!! I let him out for cuddles and play. Today he has played with a toy for first time, and isn't being so clingy and crying.
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Give him time to adjust,it's normal for pups to cry,the 1st few nights!.Some will do it for longer than others!.
Some of my pups have cried for hrs on ends,the 1st night,then,stopped totally the second!.I really depends how stubborn they are!.
Ist nights are tough on both of you!.Don't give in and he will get use to it!.
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