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Old 08-13-2008, 04:18 AM   #1
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Our puppy is 4 1/2 months old & is a golden cocker spaniel.
Hes a lovely puppy but the main problem is his biting. He Doesnt bite when playing but only when being diciplined! For example if hes chewing the sofa & i say 'OFF' he will go to bite & keeps going snapping like a crocodile! until he hurts. It got really bad last night because he just didnt seem to stop & i got really upset about this
Does he think its a game?
We have tried different methods, saying a loud 'OUCH' but doesnt seem to stop, distracting him, picking him up & putting him in another room to calm down (but he still trys to bite when picked up), shaking a bottle with some stones in but this method makes him alot worse & only tried this once! I have tried leaving the room but he still carrys on chewing the sofa! When he gets really bad we pin him down which i hate doing.
We have done alot of research on the internet & is alot of conflicting information about. There only seems to be info on play/mouthing biting but nothing about if a dog is being diciplined & then biting back.
You shoud see the marks on my hand, should i get a dog trainer?

(rufus has lots of toys to chew on & is taken for a walks twice a day, He can do sit, lie down, paw (2 paws) leave it (with treat on the floor), stay & roll over. Hes a very clever puppy & loves his attention )

Please can you help or any advice welcome.
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Old 08-13-2008, 05:29 AM   #2
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Hi gemgem to Dogforum Sounds like Rufus doesn't like being disciplined while it's not a full on attack this is very serious and needs to be stopped. Question have you ever let Rufus have his own way Eg: You let him come on the sofa when ever he likes? While Iam using this a Eg: Iam saying that things should be on your terms (rules) No i don't think Rufus thinks it's a game other wise he would be biting when you play with him. Melamaphine has beaten me to this as my Set top box crashed while posting. You do need to go to a puppy traiing class. Consistancy is very important. Rome was not built in a day Repetiton too is also important. I would seriously set some ground rules and stick to them. For one don't let him jump on the sofa I made this mistake but have now reversed it my dog is only allowed up by invatation only and if she does anything wrong while up on the sofa then down she goes and she stays down even if she gives me a look as if to say sorry. Don't let your heart rule you. And when she is real bad she gets excluded from the pack for a short time so she realises that bad behaviour won't be tolerated. May I wish you well and success with Rufus

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Old 08-13-2008, 05:33 AM   #3
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Hi there Gem

What you're going through is perfectly normal!

Think of it as the 'terrible twos', he's learned that he can have some effect on his environment and now he's seeing what the boundaries are. So far, you're letting him win and this isn't a good idea.

Speaking as the owner of a cocker spaniel, I can relate. When Molly was 4 months old, I was covered in bite marks. She was so 'vicious' that I had concerns myself, she would bite into my hand and I could lift her off the ground with her still hanging on.

Firstly, stop trying to pin him down. This can cause a lot of behavioural problems unless you really know what you're doing and get your timing 100% right, which it doesn't sound like you do. Harsh discipline can exacerbate a problem which right now, is just puppy learning what he can and can't get away with.

You say you've tried a lot of methods but none work, the reason is that you haven't been consistent. A dog can't associate if the response isn't consistent, you need to pick a method and stick with it.

Have you started taking him to puppy classes yet?

At his age this is very important for socialisation and the trainers should be able to help you with the right approach to dealing with this.

Cockers are very strong-willed, they can be hard work despite what a lot think. However, if you put the ground work in now you'll have a great companion - my Molly has grown into the most fantastic little dog.
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Old 08-13-2008, 05:52 AM   #4
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Hi and welcome to the forum :-)

I think he's going through his "Teething stage" or his "Im the boss stage"

Teething stage:
Is when his teeth are growing and he needs toys to chew on to relive the pain, such as a kong
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Heres the full site:
http://www.canineconcepts.co.uk/ccp5...kong-toy.shtml
Pack Leader Stage:
If he's chewing on a couch that shows signs of teething stage but biteing you shows signs of he thinks he's the pack leader,Take a look at this grid of dog stages.
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PeriodAgePuppy DevelopmentWhat your need to do .....New Born0 to 14 daysSuckling, sleeping, crawling. Eyes opening at 10-14 days Transitional14 to 21 daysSenses start to operate. First teeth push through Daily gentle handling by the breeder. Start to get prepared with the New Puppy ChecklistSocialisation Period3 to 5 weeksPlays with litter mates, urinates and defecates on its ownBreeder divides sleep and play areas. More handling and playing with litter mates.5 to 8 weeksWeaning begins, dominance games with litter matesPuppy arrives at new home at 8 weeks. Introduce dogs and children and consider crate training. Start housetraining. Lots of toys and human games. 8 to 12 weeks Exploratory behaviour, starts assessing position in the packStart establishing yourself as the pack leader and work on bite inhibition. Select a good puppy class and book a place. Start desensitisation to people, objects and noises Juvenile3 to 6 monthsStarts Teething. Not fully independent, but exploring furtherStart puppy socialisation classes (between 12-20 weeks), training good manners and lots of chew and teething toys Adolescence6 to 18 monthsStarts Teething. Sexual maturity. Territorial behaviourThe most difficult time for owners!
Tackle common behaviour problems. Keep reinforcing pack leader status. Continue basic obedience training and lots of stimulation with activity toys and gamesMaturity12/18 months +Fully formed physicallyEnjoy and indulge your passion for dogs. Keep up regularly training sessions and perhaps a few dog tricks that could even make them useful !
http://www.canineconcepts.co.uk/ccp5...training.shtml

That may help you its hard for me to directly help with your question unless I know for sure which topic it is :-) But heres another site that also may help you :-) http://www.canineconcepts.co.uk/ccp5...ckleader.shtml

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Hi Bailey-lover I think the Period Age Development links are great and will help any newbie to this forum or any one else who decides to get a pup. I think this sort of info should be visible at all times in the puppy section of the forum in a place where it is permantly there. I have mentioned this before regarding the dog food comparing site that gives members the chance to check the ratings of branded dog foods under
the food section of this forum. What do ther members think about keeping important links visible on the forum and where they are accesible easyily with out trawling the whole forum for answers?

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Hi gemgem and welcome to the forum.
Puppy biting and nipping is normal and can as Melamaphine said, be handled using consistency when you respond. We even have an FAQ on that topic in our FAQ secion.
http://www.dogforum.org/showthread.php?t=9741

However, since this is only happening when you are taking something away from him (namely sofa privileges) this may not be the "normal" nipping / biting but something more serious. It sounds as though you need a professional to have a look and give you an opinion - if this is serious then "internet advice" will only make things worse and nto better.

Whatever it is, you can't let it go on, as it will only get worse and not better with time.

Good luck!

PS Bigboy, we have an FAQ section which hopefully will expand as members make contributions from their own knowledge and experience. Maintaining links to other sites is labor intensive (nothing like checking for broken links) and we'd rather see members discuss things here rather than send them away.
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Hi gemgem and welcome to the forum.
Puppy biting and nipping is normal and can as Melamaphine said, be handled using consistency when you respond. We even have an FAQ on that topic in our FAQ secion.
http://www.dogforum.org/showthread.php?t=9741

However, since this is only happening when you are taking something away from him (namely sofa privileges) this may not be the "normal" nipping / biting but something more serious. It sounds as though you need a professional to have a look and give you an opinion - if this is serious then "internet advice" will only make things worse and nto better.

Whatever it is, you can't let it go on, as it will only get worse and not better with time.

Good luck!

PS Bigboy, we have an FAQ section which hopefully will expand as members make contributions from their own knowledge and experience. Maintaining links to other sites is labor intensive (nothing like checking for broken links) and we'd rather see members discuss things here rather than send them away.
Hi Jean So in the FAQ section members can post links for other members to see!

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would love to see a pic of your furry friend. i am sorry u are having probs with him biting at the moment...but i am sure with consistancy and patience it will be a short lived thing. let us know how you get on...from a fellow cocker owner

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thanks for replies & good advice.
Im going to look at puppy training classes now, how much do they roughly cost?


Bigboy - Rufus does jump on the sofa but we tell him to come down staight away & give him praise & a good treat. He rarely comes on the sofa but does with our invite. We never just let him have his own way. He bites the bottom of our sofa & thats when i tell him off & he bites me or my fiancee.

Mermaid - I have uploaded a pic of rufus when he was 9 weeks old on my avatar. I will try to upload a more recent one.

Bailey -lover - Im going to get a kong also. Hes got a kong wong with the tassels on (i think thats the name of it)

Melamaphine - Im glad you have got a lovely cocker, which method do you think would be the best way at the moment to handle his biting?

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