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Old 08-12-2008, 06:18 AM   #1
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Hi everyone, hope you are all well?

Well, I haven't been on here for some time I'm afraid. Been very busy, on holiday etc and things with Lyra have been going great....until now!!! So I need some advise on a terrible habit she's developed.

She'll be 6 months old on Thursday and I know she's going through the "teenage" stage. The thing is, she's started to whine a lot and when I say "a lot" I mean almost constantly and sometimes for no reason. It's a continuous high pitched whimpering that never stops! She's driving my husband and I mad. We've tried everything. Ignoring her, which only makes her worse. The whining then gets louder and louder until it sounds like she's in distress. We've tried shouting at her to stop, not very constructive I know, but this works for a bit, tthen she starts up again.

We can't seem to do anything without including her or she starts up. It's got to the point where I have to leave the room to get away from her as I can't stand it anymore.

Has anyone been through this and has any advise? If she's like this now, what will she be like when she has her first season? I've decided to wait until after this to get her spade, but if the whining gets worse, I don't know if I can cope.
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I would put her out of the room every time she starts whining. She's probably just looking for attention and she should soon realise she gets the exact opposite if she whines. It might take a lot of repetition though!
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Old 08-12-2008, 10:41 AM   #3
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Yep, tried that. We have shut the kitchen door to see it she'll calm down and it just makes her worse. She keeps getting louder and louder until it turns into a kind of yelping noise. Anyone would think we were torturing her!
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Hi everyone, hope you are all well?

Well, I haven't been on here for some time I'm afraid. Been very busy, on holiday etc and things with Lyra have been going great....until now!!! So I need some advise on a terrible habit she's developed.

She'll be 6 months old on Thursday and I know she's going through the "teenage" stage. The thing is, she's started to whine a lot and when I say "a lot" I mean almost constantly and sometimes for no reason. It's a continuous high pitched whimpering that never stops! She's driving my husband and I mad. We've tried everything. Ignoring her, which only makes her worse. The whining then gets louder and louder until it sounds like she's in distress. We've tried shouting at her to stop, not very constructive I know, but this works for a bit, tthen she starts up again.

We can't seem to do anything without including her or she starts up. It's got to the point where I have to leave the room to get away from her as I can't stand it anymore.

Has anyone been through this and has any advise? If she's like this now, what will she be like when she has her first season? I've decided to wait until after this to get her spade, but if the whining gets worse, I don't know if I can cope.
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Bella does this too. Not to the extent that Lyra or so it seems. Bella has done this since we brought her home from the rescue. They are small, irritating whines. She seems to do it when she's unsure or uncomfortable or sometimes when she's not getting her way. Did Lyra start this whining before or after you went on holiday? Maybe she had just gotten used to a routine and then it changed?

I have this sound I make when either Emma or Bella are doing something I don't agree with - it's like a arrrrrhhhh with a very deep voice. It took a few days but now Bella will stop whining when I make that sound. She has attributed it to "Mom's not happy". I don't have to treat anymore when she stops and now she'll whine and immediately look at me. Sometimes I start laughing and can't make "my sound". She's only 9 months old, she's learning. Emma looks at her sometimes like "duh, that's mom's stop-it sound".

Bella also snaps her teeth together. Never heard that in a pup before. Off topic a little there, sorry. I'd try making a sound or some sort of noise and as soon as she stops give her a treat. Slowly, as she recognizes what you want stop treating. She's still a baby.

I'm trying to just be patient with Bella. Not much help here, sorry.
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My elderly dog does this, we can be in the room and she whines and whines for attention. I've been told in older age a lot of dogs suffer from seperation axiety, and it seems even when we are in the room with her she wants to be close to us.
It sounds like your dog could be suffering slightly from anxiety (although I could be wrong). You should never punish her though. I really do know its hard, I've found myself shouting at Breagha (my dog) to get her to be quiet before, but in reality, it doesn't work, she just starts up again.
To be honest, we're just ignoring her. Gradually she does be quiet, usually we just say 'Sssshhh' quietly, and she does seem to get the message. We find it hard to walk out of the room on her, its not her fault she's older and confused, we do think she's going a bit senile now, but obviously thats not the case with your Lyra.

I found this website with lots of information about separation anxiety, perhaps giving it a read will help some and give you an idea of what you can do to help her.

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When you leave for work does your dog start barking, howling and whining? And when you come home, are you overwhelmed by the exuberant greeting and constant following you around the house your dog greets you with?
If so, your dog may be suffering from separation anxiety. Other symptoms include: depression, excessive licking, panting and circling.
“Separation anxiety is a neurological distress response to separation from the person to whom the dog is attached, a high degree of uncertainty of an outcome, or the probability of punishment,” according to Claws and Paws Veterinary Hospital. “In dogs with this condition, the level of anxiety is disproportionate to the inciting circumstances.”
SA can range from moderate – the dog doesn’t so much destroy things as spends the day collecting his owner’s personal belongings, curls up with them, or arrange the items in a pattern to help him reduce mental tension – to severe. Dogs suffering from severe SA have been known to break their nails and/or teeth while trying to get out of the crate, as well as destroy doors or even jump out of windows as their anxiety increases.
More on link - http://www.dogland.co.uk/SeparationAnxiety.html
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You've been given a lot of good advice and so I can't add to any behavioral suggestions.

Its a long shot - but it might work - and for the small outlay I'd go for it.

What about a DAP diffuser? (I should work for them I recommend them so much). There's also a collar -

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Promote the feeling of safety and reassurance for your dog

This is a new product to the market place. In mammals, all lactating females release a substance which science calls an "appeasing" pheromone. The function of this pheromone is to provide a feeling of comfort, safety and reassurance to the young. A dogs "appeasing" pheromones are secreted by the bitch 3 to 5 days after the puppies birth.

The environment we live in today is full of noises and smells that can be disturbing to some dogs who share our homes. It is now appreciated that anxiety is a real and debilitating condition for our dogs as well as for us. One of the most fascinating and ground-breaking developments to materialise against the stress and phobias experienced by our dogs is the identification and use of pheromone therapy.

Stressed and anxious dogs

A team of French scientists has managed to produce a synthetic version of this dog appeasement pheromone and this has now been launched in the UK as the Dog Appeasing Pheromone (DAP) Diffuser. Tests and trials have been going on for the last two years to assess the products value in the treatment of stressed and anxious dogs, and these have shown that by releasing this familiar signal to the dog, the DAP Diffuser can be very effective in many areas of dog behaviour therapy by making it feel less anxious, calmer and safer. These include destructiveness, vocalisation and house soiling brought on by stress, nervousness or anxiousness.

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http://www.doggiesolutions.co.uk/ero...nt%3Dfirefox-a

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Good advice there Jake, but I personally don't like the DAP difusers. I have heard they can work for some dogs, but they did nothing in our house except drop the bank balance!
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My elderly dog does this, we can be in the room and she whines and whines for attention. I've been told in older age a lot of dogs suffer from seperation axiety, and it seems even when we are in the room with her she wants to be close to us.

To be honest, we're just ignoring her. Gradually she does be quiet, usually we just say 'Sssshhh' quietly, and she does seem to get the message. We find it hard to walk out of the room on her, its not her fault she's older and confused, we do think she's going a bit senile now, but obviously thats not the case with your Lyra.


Sarah, there are drugs on the market that may help (if she's got to that stage yet). In simplistic terms they increase the flow of blood to the brain and are given to dogs with CBD (cognitive behaviour dysfunction) - dementia in canines.

I'll start a thread with some info, but in the meantime if you want any help please pm me.

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Good advice there Jake, but I personally don't like the DAP difusers. I have heard they can work for some dogs, but they did nothing in our house except drop the bank balance!
Our Vet uses them post surgery and he swears that the dogs are more relaxed. His secretary also uses a DAP for fireworks night and swears by it. Cambridge Uni. have done some research on them too with favourable results.

So whilst I'm sorry it didn't work for you, it can work for some dogs.

I'm going to run a poll to see if any other doforum members have used them and with what results.

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dap diffusers dont work on all dogs, and theres dr bach remedies you can get from a herbalist shop try those, i went through seperation issues with my dane bitch, it took me months of consistency and perserverence but i got there in the end, she used to follow me everywhere so i would say shannon bed 3 times and if she didnt i would take her quietly and calmly by her collar to her bed,then id go and sit down and she would comw in when called, alot of it isto do with body language and no eye contact, i couldnt leave the house for more than 5 minutes and she start howling, so i went straight back to basics and would just step in and out of the house ignoring her when you entered that includes (no eye contact no speech no physical contact) when she settled with what i was doing then i would leave the house and stay out for a few mins,if she followed me i would just turn around and say no, again after a period of time when she was happy with that you up the time and so on, if i was outside and i heard her whining/crying i would should "shannon no " without letting her see me then would enter the house when she WASNT crying - you dont want then to think when i cry mummys going to come, dont make an issue of going out/leaving the room just do it, i know its hard to not tell them off/shout or say anything to them, you have to ignore them, it sounds to me youve got a seperation issue, i had it and it takes alot of hard work but i got there in the end,i can now go out and leave my bitch for 4hrs.
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