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Old 08-27-2006, 06:44 AM   #1
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We are having some problems with Max. He is nearly 5 months old (lab x b.collie). He is crate trained but whenever we let him out of his crate, if he hasnt got an ear or bone or stuffed kong to chew he will go mental. He will grab whatever he can find, jump up on tables, kitchen counters, run around like a loon, behind the sofa, on the sofa, etc. When you finally get hold of him he will bite you (playfully but it still hurts) or bark.

Ive tried making him sit and he does but then goes off again. He used to have a confinement area where we could put him if it got too much, but he has started chewing everything - wallpaper, the actual wall and door frames so we cant even put him in there anymore. I dont want him crated more than he has too either but its all getting too much.

He is going to training in October but Im not sure it will help as it will teach basic obedience.

Is he overactive or is it normal behaviour? Should we find a behaviourist or change his diet?

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Old 08-27-2006, 03:51 PM   #2
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I would think for a labxcollie at 5 months this sort of hyper behaviour is fairly normal. I remember my border collie pup doing laps of the living room at warp speed.

I guess my first question is when is he crated and for how long? What is the rest of his routine?

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Old 08-27-2006, 05:07 PM   #3
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Well he sounds pretty bouncy but a lab collie mix was never going to be easy I wouldn't think!

I have a crazy chocolate labrador and I know they're really intelligent, especially when mixed with a b. collie! Is he getting enough exercise? Labs themselves need plenty of exercise and b. collies can go for miles a day! He sounds like he needs stimulating. I give my lab 2 good walks a day in the woods - loads of stimulation and exercise rather than being confined to a lead.

We stopped crating our labrador between 4 and 5 months and I think it's good to stop it by that time if you can as they're getting bigger and seem to need the extra room to move around. Destructiveness can be a sign of boredom or separation anxiety. If he's only destructive when left alone it might be worth trying to address this, a behaviourist or trainer would be able to suggest some techniques to reduce his stress levels over being left.

Unfortunately chewing is a definate lab trait, my dog was very good but my friends lab chewed right through her wall! They do make dog repellants that are supposed to curb chewing but my lab always just licked it off! We found that she hated lemon and so we'd let her see us rubbing some lemon juice on say the door frame and then she wouldn't touch it.

Hope thats been a little bit helpful! Good luck x

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Old 08-28-2006, 03:53 AM   #4
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He is crated at night from about 11pm to 7am. He is then crated a bit throughout the day as and when he needs to (ie. when we cant cope with his madness for any longer!). He needs to be watched every second of the day because of his behaviour.

I dont think we can stop crating now, I dont know what we will do without it! He just never ever settles unless he is in his crate. When he comes out he will immediately bite us (playfully) if we try and cuddle him or play with him.

He only gets one walk a day, because of the aggressive loose dogs down our road. He has to be on a lead because there is no way he would come back if we let him off.

I play with him a lot, mostly indoors though, and play games like catch, fetch and tug of war.

I give him lots of kongs during the day. But I only put kibble in it because Im worried about giving him too many things that might cause him to be more hyperactive. And he gets the kibble out in minutes. He has lots of chew toys but I think I need more toys to keep his mind active too, but its hard to get anything that doesnt involve food and then I need to find something suitable for puppies which doesnt contain loads of preservatives which Im struggling to find!

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Old 08-28-2006, 07:28 AM   #5
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Well I have to say he looks absolutely gorgeous! I haven't had the problem of dogs not coming back, I've been very lucky. You may already be doing it but practicing the 'come' command in the house and garden is definately a must by the sounds of it. I think at least a long lead and if you can fit it in two walks a day, though the aggressive dogs sound like something needs to be said about them if they're loose as well?!

Games are a difficult one because i know what you mean about them involving food, I know my dog loves to find things so maybe that's one to try? I let my dog sniff my keys and then I go and hide them and she's learnt to search the house looking for them, we make a huge fuss when she finds them and she's so pleased with herself!

If your dog is happy in his crate then it's fine, he doesn't sound like he's in there too much anyway, I wasn't sure if you meant he was in there a lot during the day too.

What food does he have? James WellBeloved is an excellent dry kibble and it's hypoallergenic so I don't think it would have anything in that could make him even more hyperactive. Also does he have chews with colouring in them? Meg used to have them and although she isn't as active as your dog, she was allergic to the colourants so I suppose there's a possiblity it could have an effect? Maybe just give him rawhide chews.

I'm trying to help a bit but I definately think a meeting with a behaviourist might be the best idea because they would have seen it all before which will help you I'm sure and they can give you some techniques to help.

Best of luck, I hope I've helped a little bit at least, let us know how you get on

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HOW LONG IS YOUR WALK? LABS AND BORDER COLLIES NEEDS LOTS OF EXCERCISE. HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT DOING AGILITY? THAT WOULD RELEIVE A LOT OF THE PENT UP ENERGY. PLUS MAYBE YOU COULD MAKE YOUR WALK LONGER. DO YOU HAVE A FENCED BACK YARD? PERHAPS THAT WOULD BE AN OPTION. BORDER COLLIES ARE RECOMMENDED TO PEOPLE WITH A LOT OF PROPERTY THAT THEY CAN RUN. http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/bordercollie.htm http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/labrador.htm TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE PAGES. SINCE YOU HAVE A MIX, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT BOTH. LABS AND BORDER COLLIES BOTH ARE RECOMMENDED TO HAVE A LOT OF EXERCISE. I HOPE THAT I HAVE HELPED.
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Old 08-29-2006, 04:58 AM   #7
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The hiding game sounds good, I might try that!

From today I have decided to take him for a walk when I get up, at 7am - there arent any dogs around at this hour and this means that he can get two walks a day. We drive him out to a "on-lead" park and have quite a long walk. I would like for him to do agility. I will see if anyone near us do it.

I have covered the aggressive dogs in a another post - basically there is nothing we can do about it, not until they attack a person.

I am very careful about preservatives and feed him good food. Do James Wellbeloved do puppy food? I only give him rawhyde chews, raw bones and dried pigs ears.

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Yes James Wellbeloved does do a puppy kibble, at 6 months I think it suggests moving onto the 'performance' kibble I think it' called, and then later onto the adult one but it's all on the side of the pack. It's complete pet food so he wouldn't need any supplements and as I think I said it's hypoallergenic which is great because my chocolate lab (typically!) has food allergies and James WellBeloved has stopped the ear problems she was having all related to preservatives and colourants and whatever else they stick in some dog foods.

Agility sounds a really good idea though maybe make some enquiries as Labs can have hip problems and it is often recommended not to overdo exercise with them until they're 1 year to 15 months. I bet your dog will really appreciate 2 walks though!

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Well done re the second walk a day - this should make a difference. I know that my lab x GSD at 5 months was very lively and playful. If you can find some way to arrange for your puppy to have some 'off lead' time and preferably to play with other dogs off lead this would probably be really helpful. Perhaps at weekends you can drive further to a suitable area or even just arrange to meet up with a friendly dog at their property if they have a decent garden.

Also, just wanted to add that yes I do think the obedience training will help his behaviour round the house - it often has an amazing knock on effect as the dog starts to learn self-control and to look to the owner for leadership. He will need basic obedience before he does agility anyway, and he is too young yet for agility but would probably love to do it in the future.

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Hey sweetie make sure he is very tired before crating at 11. Take him to a field and let him run throw a freezbe or tennis ball, get him so pooped. He will wear down in time he is a healthy young puppy and needs tons of exercise for now. Work on that rather than commands, let them for when he is worn down some then start to train on him. He will absorb it quicker than being on his high..lol.
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