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Old 07-08-2008, 09:52 AM   #1
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Default Need help with our new puppy

We adopted a puppy who had been dumped at the shelter almost 2 weeks ago. When we got her she was only 6 weeks old. I realize that's young, but she was irresistable.

The crate training is going well for the most part, but sometimes I'll take her out to the bathroom, and she'll pee in the house within 10 minutes of coming back in! From what I'm reading they should be able to go longer then that...

The biggest thing that worries me is her nipping. My 10 year old is getting to the point where he's a little afraid of her, and then this morning she nipped his finger. When he told her "no" and pulled it away it broke the skin. It kind of freaks him out. One time he was taking her out to the bathroom and while standing out in the yard she oulled his shorts down! (I know I shouldn't laugh...) She is doing better with me and listening when she nips.

Also I watched videos online which said to hole her on her side to teach her how to calm down and she absolutely refuses to do that. She gets more and more aggitated instead of calming down. Forget trying to hold her on her back! (Although she will lay on her back when I scratch her belly.) She would lay on her back and calm down when we got her, but she seems to be getting more and more agressive. Am I just not being forceful enough? I definately get the feeling that she doesn't see me as the leader.

We are starting puppy training classes on Monday.

I'm just worried about doing the wrong thing.

I have no plans on giving up, 15 years ago we adopted a full grown Retriever from the Spca and she was very headstrong and tough to train, but ended up being the best dog for us.

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the lack of bite inhibition is cause she is taken way to early from her mother..

when she does this next time SQUEAL really high, stnad up and stop the play. Totally ignore her.

as soon as she gets too winded up, IGNORE IGNORE IGNORE. ONLY give her attention when she is calm.

This will help shaping her into a calmer less nippy dog.

and puppy class is REALLY good, cudos to you for taking that step. and do NOT put her on the back, that can do more damage than help...

if she goes to wild, cross your arms, walk away, it will be hard in the beginning cause she will be persistent but do not give up..


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Hi donna and welcome to the forum.
Bless you for giving this puppy a home!
I wouldn't worry too much about being a leader to an 8 week old puppy. That leader thing is overrated in my opinion and not an issue with puppies that age except under very unusual circumstances.

May I suggest our FAQ section?
Dog Frequently Asked Questions
There are lots of threads in there with answers to common questions, and in some cases members have commented with their experiences.

Good luck with the traning classes!
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Old 07-08-2008, 10:25 AM   #4
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Hi Donna,

I wouldn't worry too much, nipping is normal in a puppy that young, especially when they were taken from mum too soon and missed out on the bite inhibition that Monkey referred to.

The cocker spaniel in my avatar was a puppy farm reject and was given to a shelter at 5 weeks old. I got her at just under 4 months old, but the fosterers told me she was a biter and they'd been trying to work through it.

She certainly was a little monster, all she wanted to do was bite and nip and fight. I was covered in bite marks and scratches, all my clothes had holes in them and she liked to eat carpet too.

I did the squeal thing when she bit, and as soon as she hurt me I ignored her and stopped playing until she calmed down. It doesn't take long for them to realise that the biting stops playtime. I would not suggest pinning a puppy that young, there really is no need and you could cause her to become fearful and this is not good.

Puppies are like toddlers, they play up and need to be taught right from wrong. I'm afraid you can't expect a puppy not to bite, if your child is scared then stop him playing with the puppy until the bite inhibition has been taught.
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Monkey is right on the mark with the squeal and stop play thing, it mimics what he would have got from his littermates, it works and I had to do it with a 7 month old puppy, one already large and with the habit ingrained.

I had no history of Chewie before I took him at 7 months old from a pound other than his previous owners turned him in because he chewed too much. I could tell he was neglected as far as social manners, he did mouth and hard, it not only hurt, but he drew blood. I started the squeal and turn away thing and within two days, he learned how to curb his mouthing. He still does to some extent, that is a retriever trait, they seem to need to have something in their mouth, but he now knows what hurts and what is just holding my hand. I guess I could even break him of holding my hand, but as long as it's not hard, he does seem to enjoy it and I don't mind as long as he's gentle. And if I don't want him to hold my hand, I just find something else for him to hold, got plenty of toys for him to carry.

Teaching your pup what is acceptable to chew on or carry will be your next step. Chewie did chew the furniture, shoes, cords, and other things I considered unacceptable. I just gave him a firm NO, and then handed him what is acceptable, basically his toys, he picked up on it fast. The problem has been solved. And as he gets older, the chewing is becoming less and less, he still likes to have something in his mouth, but only to carry it, again, a retriever trait.

And most important, never leave your pup unattended because you need to be right there to stop unwanted behavior, it does no good to try and show him what he did wrong even 2 minutes after he did it, you have to stop it right when he's doing it. And a firm voice is your best weapon, it mimics the mother growling at him.
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Wow. You guys are great. Makes me feel that there's hope for "Hope."

Thanks for all the references to all the great articles too.

A few more questions if you don't mind...

She has pretty much been sleeping through the night. She can go from about midnight to 6AM. Should I be getting up in the middle of the night and taking her out anyway? Last night she woke me up with a cry that wasn't just "I want to get out of my crate," but rather "I really need to go out!" And she did. She's only had one accident in the crate and that was diarrhea on the first night we brought her home. Otherwise perfect.

When she nips and we tell her "no bite," then we turn our back, she just seems to keep coming at us. If we get up and walk away she just goes away and does her own thing. She really doesn't seem to care...

When I first got her she would let me hold her and lay with me and now it seems she has no interest. I try to give her lots of love and pets, but she just moves away. Am I doing something wrong?

I've upped her walks to 2 a day. We usually walk for about a mile and a half and it really tires her out. (Won't hurt my waist line either, that's for sure!) Also last night my son and I started working with little pieces of treats to get her to come and sit. She did really well.

Gosh I'm enjoying having a puppy again!

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Ok, first of all, I don't want to worry you but a mile and a half is far too long for such a young puppy to walk. Too much exercise can damage their forming skeletal structure, muscles and joints and you'll get problems in later life.

Exercise should be kept to a minimum, don't let her go up and down stairs yet, or jump off the furniture.

As for being cuddly, don't worry, it will return. She's at the stage of exploring her independence. Much like a toddler, she's learning to see the world through her own point of view. You know what it is like when a child learns 'no', they say it all the time to assert their independence.


My molly was the same, trust me, it will return to love and cuddles at some point!
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She's lovely, very sweet!

My puppy is 5 months old next week and she is getting less and less nippy now. She was terrible, but we've taught her not to bite down hard and now she just mouths. I still don't really agree with her doing that, but my husband insists as long as she knows the limit, it's fine and she's just exploring. She's never biten me really hard. She's also losing her baby teeth which is really funny as she has gaps in her mouth! Her adult teeth are much less sharp than her baby teeth.

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This calls for the ignore methods of positive training. Yelp like it hurts, she is old enough now to evn growl in your voice and get up and ignore it. She is teething at this age also. Hand her a toy and go about working or cleaning. Punishing a puppy leaving a litter GOD knows how young, missing out on mommy dog teaching so much to her and litter mates also, now you must play catch up. Such a shame people dumb puppies so young right at the most important time of life to adapt to situations like this.
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Mouthness, nipping and biting are normal actions for puppies. His mother and littermates were his first teachers to tell him not to do this. Now that the puppy is living in your pack, you replace the interaction that the puppy would have had with the other puppies and dog. You must step in and continue with bite-inhibition training in a manner that is perceived as normal by your puppy.
Excessive nipping very often communicate urgency: the puppy needs to go outside, he is tired, or he has too much energy and is very excited. All these needs are often communicated through unrelenting, hard bites. Before you start correcting this, remember that when he displays these behaviors, he is trying to tell you something. Disciplining him only creates confrontation, aggravates your relationship and undermines the trust he has in you.
As puppies start to teeth, they feel the need to sink their teeth into anything, including your fingers, arms, hair and toes. If your puppy shows the least sign of biting or closing down too hard playing, discourage this tendency immediately with a loud and firm "No!", then give him a chew toy. Don't pull your hand away or push the puppy, as this only encourages rougher play.
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