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Old 06-24-2008, 11:07 AM   #1
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Hi there,

Haven't posted for a while, but things are going great with Lyra. She's really enjoying puppy classes and has learnt to sit, wait, stay, re-call and walk to heel.

We are still using the puppy pen overnight and during the day when I'm at work (I still go home at lunchtimes!) but I was wandering how long I should be using it for. Lyra is still only 4 months old and very small. Although the kitchen is safe (we have child locks on all the cupboard doors) I am a bit worried about letting her roam around there when we're not in.

At what age can I remove it do you think? She still pee's in it (on newspaper) when she can't hold on, but she's housetrained when we are there and never pee's in the house.

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Old 06-24-2008, 12:59 PM   #2
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Firstly congratulations with your success in puppy classes, maybe you should try leaving her in the kitchen and put some newspaper down to see if she will still pee on it if she needs to go.

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Hi Lyra, glad to hear things are going well. I think as long as you don't trust her and aren't there to keep an eye on her I would leave her in the pen. When you are there on the seekends you can let her out and if she starts to do something she shouldn't (like chew on an electrical cable or something) you can step in and redirect her.
I'd be a little worried about her peeing on the newspapers. Unless you get her to the point where she is only eliminating outdoors you may find that she will pee on a newspaper that you are still reading or possibly some other piece of paper.
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I didn't even think of the newspapers possibly causing a problem good thinking Skunkstripe.
Kai always had someone home with him whilst he was a pup so we never had to deal with situations like this and I guess we were lucky that he pretty much slept right through the night.

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My puppies have always had their own 'room' which is the entry to the back of the house. April & Sooty were fine in there, April made a couple of mistakes on newspaper, but Sooty would hold on from 10 weeks old.
Tilba is a different story. She's the 1st pup I've had a crate for. She slept in it for a few weeks when we 1st got her without incident, but in the last month she winges, barks & scratches at the crate door. And because she will still wee in her 'room' near the back door & won't let me know I've put up with her nonsence in the crate.
Now at 5 mths old the last 2 nights I've left her on April's old bed for the night & she has been dry both mornings, although my hubby is now on shift work & lets her out at 2 a.m. when he gets home.
With your pup I would be worried about chewing things as she's about to start teething in the next couple of weeks, as well as the paper issue.
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Personally I would leave her in there a bit longer. She can learn to control it almost completely. Laying papers is telling her it is ok to go also. It is best to take her out the same door to the same area to complete Potty training.

She is young yet and could get into so much. Egan my German male is a hand ful and I would never let him free in here. No way. Be patient, she will work out fine...
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I agree with much of the above. She shouldn't be allowed out of the pen until she can hold her pee in the pen while you are gone. I wouldn't let puppies out to roam freely when I'm gone until they are over a year old. I want all of their puppy chewing done and I want them to have a firm understanding of the rules. It only takes a puppy gnawing on an electrical cord to be fatal.

In my household, I want to know my dogs are safe when I'm gone. As they work with me, they don't spend hours alone in the crate, so when I leave for a few hours at a time, I like knowing my dogs are safe in crates.

One of my dogs must be crated as she gets destructive when she stresses. This cannot be corrected as it doesn't occur enough to deal with it. However, I'm not willing to lose a sofa or bedspread once a year.

My male shelties are all very strong personalities and can't be trusted together without my presence. I could let them out one at a time or in separate areas of the house. I just find crates a simpler solution. However, if they were crated for long periods, I would be looking at letting them loose in different rooms.
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Thanks for all the great advise as usual. I'm going to stay with the pen for the time being. It doesn't do her any harm, in fact she climbs in there herself when she wants a nap so it's not a problem. She's even been completely dry the last couple of days so I know she can "hold it" when she wants to!

The main problem we have now is she tries to get up the stairs. I don't want her upstairs in the house, mainly due to her back in case she fell, but also the cats have the run of the house upstairs and I don't want to take this away from them.

We bought a puppy gate the other day but my Husband put it too high so once she had watched the cats crawl under it, she followed! Guess we'll be moving it down a bit pretty quick.

Apart from that, she's doing really well. She isn't so great on re-call, especially when she's in the garden and doesn't want to come in the house, but I know Dashies can be stubborn so will have to stick with it on the training.

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Tilba's the same when she's in the house & doesn't want to go out. She see's it as punishment. Make sure you're not calling her for other things she sees as punishment. Go & get her rather than call her to you. Practice lots of recalls & go frees while you're playing with her in the yard before you want her inside. They go through a stage during adolescence where they seem to have forgotten everything they know. You just have to be persistant & work through it & not let her get away with anything.
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It's funny that you say that they forget everything. Lyra pee'd on the lounge carpet last night for no reason and she hasn't done that for well over a month. We had just got back from her walk as well and she was rather excited so we think she just forgot herself!

Another worry is when I got up this morning she had pee'd ON her bedding. Well, it was actually some felt type fabric that we put in her pen for her to sleep on as her other bedding was in the wash. I can't understand why she does it because there was newspaper right next to her and that was clean and dry!

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