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Old 02-06-2008, 03:23 PM   #1
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I have a 12 week old border collie that i am crate training. im having the problem that when i take my dog outside to potty she will deficate and urinate i praise her and play for abit but the second i bring her indoors she will urinate by my back door.

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Hi DarkSpawn and welcome. Sounds like you're doign everything right.....
when she pees indoors, is she peeing to relieve herself or is there any chance she is doingit out of excitement?
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im fairly sure shes doing it to relieve herself after i bring her back from the garden she will pee its not always the second i get back but within 5 minutes she will pee again. Shes not peeing on a carpet and we use bleach to wash it with.

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Since you feel that she is peeing to relieve herself, you should do two things. First, you know that she is going to go shortly after you bring her in. To counter this taker back out shortly after you've come in again. For example, you go out to potty and play and come back in 30 mins. later. Keep an eye on your pup and just before you would expect her to be peeing inside by the door (say 3-5 mins. or so), take her outside again. The other thing you want to do is set up a schedule for feeding, pottying, sleeping, etc. I found this post from another thread (Potty training) to be very helpful. I hope this helps.
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OH, okay then! Sounds like we are in the exact same boat.. and I am afraid you will not like my answer one bit.


Ok, my ten week old Rottweiler was doing the same thing as your Lilly here not too long ago, and this is the only way we found to go about it.

I so feel sorry for you that you have to take care of a puppy and a baby because I know from my experience just plainly with the pup, it is a very tiring experience. In two weeks, I have had an 8 week old Rottweiler, now 10 weeks old, nearly potty trained. When we first brought him home, he thought the house was his personal bathroom. He showed no signs whatsoever when it came to potty time, and would just squat and poo or pee without any warning in random places in the house. I can tell you exactly what we have done to stop this if you have some time Haha.



Here I go:

Firstly, we made it so that the pup could not have access to the entire house. Even though we have a small house, keeping him confined to just the Kitchen (You may chose a different room. Best idea is to chose a room with no carpet. Use things to block the doorways and entrances/exits, and make sure she is only ever allowed in the one room you choose, unless under constant supervision. Place the crate in the chosen room as well, and leave the door open for all-time access. Place water in that area as well. Only feed at a specific time, do not free feed (It will help you know when she has to potty).

Make sure the crate is not too big. The most common mistakes that people make with pups when they begin crate training is that they get a crate too big because they want the puppy to be comfortable. The crate is not supposed to their room- it is supposed to be their bed. So downsize it by filling one end of it with something, or blocking off one end of it. We used a metal divider from a different crate we have, and held it in place with zip-ties. The puppy should ONLY be able to enter, lay down, turn around and sit. When the pup is laying down, their body should take up 90% of the floor space.)

Now, as for bed time poo and pee in the crate. Once it is downsized, we still had the issue that our pup could not make it through the entire night. We only sleep for 6 hours a night (Go to bed at midnight and get up at 6am) and even then we would wake up with pee and sometimes poo as well in there with him and he would need a bath and the crate would need to be cleaned. (Find a cleaner that doesn't use ammonia as it may attract the pup to pottying in that spot again. Use a clean that breaks down enzymes.)

So, this little bit of info will help you a lot: Pups age in months, plus one = how many hours they can be expected to hold it. So, your pup being about 3 months old, that means your Lilly should not be expected to hold it for any longer than 4 hours. This means that you will have to get up in the middle of the night at least once (Depending on how many hours you sleep) to ensure there are no accidents.

Here is another good thing to remember:

When to take her outside for a potty break:
-Once every hour and a half to be careful
-After the pup naps
-After eating (This means hurry!)
-Before and after being put in the crate for a period of time
-Shortly after a long drink of water
-After a long play session/exercise time.


I know it sounds like a lot, and I didn't realize how often it would have to be until we already had the pup. I had a few minutes of regret, but then I realize that this is what I signed up for, and I owe it to the pup to make sure he gets taken care of properly.

I do believe it would be a good idea for you to write up a schedule like I had said before. Print off a few copies, and make sure to keep up with it as it will help you understand when she needs to potty and what exactly she needs to do on this specific potty break. I use the straight up and down "|" line for pee, and I use an "O" for poo when I am writing it down. If the potty was an accident and not during a potty break where you took her outside, I put a line through it to show that it was not a good potty break. And, quite frankly, my pup (only three weeks younger than your own) pees once an hour (Unless he has napped through that hour) and poos an average of 4-5 times a day.

I also take away the water dish a few hours before bed, that way their bladder wont be full in the middle of the night. This has helped a LOT.

Here is what my schedule looks like. I keep it up on the wall by the door with a pen near by:




For night time potty breaks when you get up from sleeping to let her out that one time a night, mark it down on the bottom of the sheet of paper with the exact time and what she did as well. That way you dont forget in the morning and go " When was the last time she pooped?!?!" Lol.

So... To Recap:
-Keep a schedule of when the pup goes potty.
-Take out at least every hour and a half.
-Feed a measured amount at specific times of the day.
-Bring outside on a leash and give a LOT of praise and a treat when a good deed has been done.
-Do not give the pup complete access to your entire house- keep the area smaller and easier to be watched over.
-Never punish the puppy for a potty mistake in the house, as this sends mixed signals, and they will become sneaky about pottying and you will find it hidden throughout your house.
-Keep the crate size small.
-Place accidental poos in the 'correct place' to fill that area with their scent to help to have them potty in the right place.
-Take pup outside if she whines at all, she will start to understand what whining means going outside to potty.
-Get up at least ONCE a night to stop night-time accidents
- Take a nap whenever possible to catch up on sleep, LOL!

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I agree that it would help to keep an eye on her and watch her for the signs of needing to go. If you see her sniffing around like she is about to pee then whisk her outside. How often are you taking her out?
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im taking her out every hour shes very good about going when im up there and we play for about 20 minutes and i bring her back. Shes on 3 feeds a day and water every 2 hours.

roxy (her name) has not pooed in the house for about 3 days now and only pees when i bring her back in from the back yard sometimes i think shes just to smart and knows i take her out back if she pees in the house.

i went out back at 8:45pm and after we came back roxy tryed to pee but i grabbed her can out back we went. i praised she and came back in.

also roxy does not seem to play with her toys. I got about 15 toy many different types but she just looks at them and gone. the only thing she seems to play with is her beed covers.

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I think every hour may be too much. I would go every two hours.
You could be right about Roxy having figured out that she gets rewarded by getting a trip back outside if she pees indoors. I think that if she has already peed, then there is no point taking her out since she might see this as a reward. And what you did by catching her just before she did it and taking her outside was good- you got the chance to praise her for going outside. I would stick with that-keep an eye on her and try to beat her to it if she tries to pee or poo inside.
About the toys, some dogs are not that wild about them or take time to get used to them. I think if you give it time she will play with them.
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You might want to take her to the vet also my uncle has a dog that has a liver shunt so she cant control when she uses the bathroom just hits her at random usualy right after she gets a drink of water. They just had her fixed was 1500 some bucks for surgery and all but shes a cute puppy and playful as can be.

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Hello & welcome to the forum. I think the potty training issue has been covered. With the toys, only give her 2-3 at a time, play with them yourself to get her interested & swap them every few days.
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