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Old 01-14-2008, 02:56 PM   #1
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hello all,
i have yet another question.
How on earth do i get Lilly to go potty outside! if i leave the backdoor open she sometimes goes outside without being told and just goes, but there are times when she runs in pees or poos inside then goes out.
Also if i have the back door closed ( coz its cold ) she then pees/poos anywhere, so if she disappears from the living room we have to go with her and let her out then she goes which is fantastic, but if im busy or havent noticed shes wondered off then half the time me or the kids find it by treading in it, its not always in the same place either it could be anywhere.
so help please, what shall i do??

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Old 01-14-2008, 03:06 PM   #2
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Okay, first things first.

How old is your dog? What breed? Is she spayed?

Next, start leashing her when you go outside for potty breaks. Every time you leave the house with her on a leash to potty, try asking her, " Want to go outside and Potty?". That way in the future, you may be able to just ask her and judge yes or no by her reaction (My husky goes absolutly nuts if I ask her if she has to potty. She barks and runs up the stairs- that is her way of saying Yes Please! Lol)

Now.. Depending on age (Lets say, if she is a pup, then go out once every hour and a half. If she is a year old or older, you can wait longer. Make sure to pick up on signs of her wanting to potty such as sniffing around, tail up, whining, etc.) bring her out very often. After a nap. After eating. Etc.

Bring her outside on a leash, and choose a specific area outside that you would like to have her go to the washroom more often. Continue bringing her to this specific area when on your leashed potty breaks, and make sure to always have treats in your pocket. To start this 'specific area' out right, perhaps next time she goes poo, whether it be in your house or in a random spot in your backyard, move it to the place you would rather be having her go. I know, sounds weird, but by her scent being there via the poo, she may get the understanding down packed much sooner.

Every time she goes potty when she is with you in the correct area, give her a treat and a lot of praise (Good Lilly!! Good girl! Who's a good girl?! You are! Good Potty!). And, once again depending on your time available, I would suggest starting a schedule. ( I currently have one and use it for my 10 week old pup all the time). Write down each time she pees and poos to the nearest hour on a daily basis, and it can help you better understand when and at what times of the day, she has to potty.

Maybe try not to give her so much freedom (Such as leaving the back door open all the time).. And perhaps invest in a crate for times when you are not at home and she is there alone. This will help greatly with potty training as they will not potty in the area that they are fed/sleep. Feed her in the crate. Have her sleep in the crate at night. Take her out to potty right after letting her out of the crate for period of time.

Oh yes, I edited this to add:

When she goes potty inside, do not punish her. Do not yell at her. Ignore her completely instead. By punishment of any sort, even just plain looking at her and making eye contact you are giving her a type of praise that she might see as you saying, "Good job".

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Old 01-14-2008, 03:19 PM   #3
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hi mojo.
Lillys 13 weeks old border collie and not spayed yet, we already have a crate that shes locked in at night and she pees/poos in there too.
When taken for a walk she wont go to potty, but as soon as she comes home shes straight outside and then goes.
me and my partner have already spoken about fencing part of the garden off for her potty area, hopefully doing that soon.
It sounds a great idea taking her out every hour and a half, but i also have an 8 month old baby to watch so i dont think thats very practical
thank you so much for your help, i really need her to stop going to potty in doors my babys crawling now and im forever carpet cleaning with a steamer to stop him getting germs.

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OH, okay then! Sounds like we are in the exact same boat.. and I am afraid you will not like my answer one bit.


Ok, my ten week old Rottweiler was doing the same thing as your Lilly here not too long ago, and this is the only way we found to go about it.

I so feel sorry for you that you have to take care of a puppy and a baby because I know from my experience just plainly with the pup, it is a very tiring experience. In two weeks, I have had an 8 week old Rottweiler, now 10 weeks old, nearly potty trained. When we first brought him home, he thought the house was his personal bathroom. He showed no signs whatsoever when it came to potty time, and would just squat and poo or pee without any warning in random places in the house. I can tell you exactly what we have done to stop this if you have some time Haha.



Here I go:

Firstly, we made it so that the pup could not have access to the entire house. Even though we have a small house, keeping him confined to just the Kitchen (You may chose a different room. Best idea is to chose a room with no carpet. Use things to block the doorways and entrances/exits, and make sure she is only ever allowed in the one room you choose, unless under constant supervision. Place the crate in the chosen room as well, and leave the door open for all-time access. Place water in that area as well. Only feed at a specific time, do not free feed (It will help you know when she has to potty).

Make sure the crate is not too big. The most common mistakes that people make with pups when they begin crate training is that they get a crate too big because they want the puppy to be comfortable. The crate is not supposed to their room- it is supposed to be their bed. So downsize it by filling one end of it with something, or blocking off one end of it. We used a metal divider from a different crate we have, and held it in place with zip-ties. The puppy should ONLY be able to enter, lay down, turn around and sit. When the pup is laying down, their body should take up 90% of the floor space.)

Now, as for bed time poo and pee in the crate. Once it is downsized, we still had the issue that our pup could not make it through the entire night. We only sleep for 6 hours a night (Go to bed at midnight and get up at 6am) and even then we would wake up with pee and sometimes poo as well in there with him and he would need a bath and the crate would need to be cleaned. (Find a cleaner that doesn't use ammonia as it may attract the pup to pottying in that spot again. Use a clean that breaks down enzymes.)

So, this little bit of info will help you a lot: Pups age in months, plus one = how many hours they can be expected to hold it. So, your pup being about 3 months old, that means your Lilly should not be expected to hold it for any longer than 4 hours. This means that you will have to get up in the middle of the night at least once (Depending on how many hours you sleep) to ensure there are no accidents.

Here is another good thing to remember:

When to take her outside for a potty break:
-Once every hour and a half to be careful
-After the pup naps
-After eating (This means hurry!)
-Before and after being put in the crate for a period of time
-Shortly after a long drink of water
-After a long play session/exercise time.


I know it sounds like a lot, and I didn't realize how often it would have to be until we already had the pup. I had a few minutes of regret, but then I realize that this is what I signed up for, and I owe it to the pup to make sure he gets taken care of properly.

I do believe it would be a good idea for you to write up a schedule like I had said before. Print off a few copies, and make sure to keep up with it as it will help you understand when she needs to potty and what exactly she needs to do on this specific potty break. I use the straight up and down "|" line for pee, and I use an "O" for poo when I am writing it down. If the potty was an accident and not during a potty break where you took her outside, I put a line through it to show that it was not a good potty break. And, quite frankly, my pup (only three weeks younger than your own) pees once an hour (Unless he has napped through that hour) and poos an average of 4-5 times a day.

I also take away the water dish a few hours before bed, that way their bladder wont be full in the middle of the night. This has helped a LOT.

Here is what my schedule looks like. I keep it up on the wall by the door with a pen near by:




For night time potty breaks when you get up from sleeping to let her out that one time a night, mark it down on the bottom of the sheet of paper with the exact time and what she did as well. That way you dont forget in the morning and go " When was the last time she pooped?!?!" Lol.

So... To Recap:
-Keep a schedule of when the pup goes potty.
-Take out at least every hour and a half.
-Feed a measured amount at specific times of the day.
-Bring outside on a leash and give a LOT of praise and a treat when a good deed has been done.
-Do not give the pup complete access to your entire house- keep the area smaller and easier to be watched over.
-Never punish the puppy for a potty mistake in the house, as this sends mixed signals, and they will become sneaky about pottying and you will find it hidden throughout your house.
-Keep the crate size small.
-Place accidental poos in the 'correct place' to fill that area with their scent to help to have them potty in the right place.
-Take pup outside if she whines at all, she will start to understand what whining means going outside to potty.
-Get up at least ONCE a night to stop night-time accidents
- Take a nap whenever possible to catch up on sleep, LOL!

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