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Kernewek 12-06-2007 05:03 PM

Potential puppy hip problem
 
Hi there, have recently returned from the vet with Daisy my 7 1/2 month old reriever pup. She has been limping on her hind leg for a while now. We went a couple of months ago and the vet thought it was her knee and gave her some anti-inflammatories and it seemed to clar up but she has started limping again. The vet thinks it could be to do with her hip and is concerned about displaysia but says there is little point testing until she is 15 months old. In the mean time she has been put on metacam. This is worrying me as I always thought it tended to be given to older dogs. My mother in law uses another vet who refuses to give metacam to younger dogs. Should I be worried about this? Thanks

skunkstripe 12-06-2007 05:30 PM

Retrievers are susceptible to HD unfortunately. And this is one of those things where there are differences of opinion as to how best to make a diagnosis of HD. As far as I know there is no easy answer. If Daisy is indeed in pain, the Metacam should help relieve pain and reduce swelling. Many dogs have benefited from this type of drug (NSAID). But hen again, many adverse reactions have also been reported. So your worry is justified - but at this point there may not be a good alternative as far as reducing pain.
Maybe these info links will help
http://www.ygrr.org/doginfo/health-hips.html
http://wbztv.com/consumer/FDA.Dog.Drugs.2.581712.html
Best of luck to you and Daisy.

sheplovr 12-06-2007 06:12 PM

I do not know why he would not xray her to see as many are done at six months it shows, they can treat it or do surgery. I would not give pain pills either to mine if they had this and most likely it is, a genetic problem from the parents of one or both.
I would give her Glucosamine HCL, (mostly shell fish extract),250 mg and Chronodroitin (cartilage extract), 175 mg. Ask a good vet as I know they would agree, if u say u do not like meds put into your pet unless absolutely necessary. MSN (methyl sulfonyl methane) is good to mix with above. I give mine this daily for prevention of any joint or ligament discomfort from hard play. These are natural things made per pound given daily to dogs. Mine get two wafers a day from puppies long as they live regardless, they do not have HD but this promotes strong joints and bones.. Sure hope the vet finds the problem rather than wait for it a dog has HD it is born with it and will show up sometimes in very young 8 week old puppies if vet is good enough to feel it.??? I believe in doing prelimbs to find it the dog shows a shadow of it to come on later, then I spay or neuter immediately. Hope the dog does not have this disease and feels better soon.

BoxMeIn21 12-06-2007 06:15 PM

*scratches head* Your vet can do xrays at any age, those would be your best bet, right now. If he won't do them, I would get a second opinion.

Did your breeder test the parents for hip dysplasia? I think I would be calling them and letting them know as well.

applesmom 12-06-2007 07:35 PM

Scratching my head too! No matter what the age; if a dog has HD it's going to show up in the xrays.:confused:

A couple of months is long enough to be guessing. If your own vet doesn't feel qualified to take xrays and read them perhaps he can refer you to a vet that is.

There are many reasons why a young dog could be limping. Once all the more obvious reasons such as injury to the leg or foot are ruled out, the next step for most vets would be xrays. If it is HD it's better to know it sooner rather than later so you'll have time to explore your options and make decisions.

Gideon's_Girl 12-06-2007 08:39 PM

thats weird, hope everything turns out okay!

Christine283 12-06-2007 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by sheplovr (Post 185500)
I do not know why he would not xray her to see as many are done at six months it shows, they can treat it or do surgery. I would not give pain pills either to mine if they had this and most likely it is, a genetic problem from the parents of one or both.
I would give her Glucosamine HCL, (mostly shell fish extract),250 mg and Chronodroitin (cartilage extract), 175 mg. Ask a good vet as I know they would agree, if u say u do not like meds put into your pet unless absolutely necessary.

I don't know why you think all pain meds are evil, shep. If a dog is in pain, don't you think it deserves a little relief? Glucosamine and Chondroitin are not pain relievers, they just help the joints in a way that eventually helps to reduce pain. It takes a good 4-6 weeks to see a noticeable difference. SynoviG3 soft chews work wonders in that area. But again, if there is noticeable pain, obvious inflammation, and even swelling, NSAIDs are the way to go for the short term.

Kernewek, as for the Metacam and younger dogs, that vet probably just has a preference for another NSAID with younger dogs, though I know most vets won't give it to those under 6 months. It is tended to be given to older dogs, because those are more often the ones with the degree of arthritis that calls for a good NSAID.

And like BoxMeIn said, I'd contact the breeder...if they're responsible, they'd want to know about potential HD in their breeding line.

jacks4nik 12-07-2007 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Kernewek (Post 185474)
Hi there, have recently returned from the vet with Daisy my 7 1/2 month old reriever pup. She has been limping on her hind leg for a while now. We went a couple of months ago and the vet thought it was her knee and gave her some anti-inflammatories and it seemed to clar up but she has started limping again. The vet thinks it could be to do with her hip and is concerned about displaysia but says there is little point testing until she is 15 months old. In the mean time she has been put on metacam. This is worrying me as I always thought it tended to be given to older dogs. My mother in law uses another vet who refuses to give metacam to younger dogs. Should I be worried about this? Thanks

I am absolutely shocked they have not xrayed.I saw a friends pup-retriever limping very badly on her hind leg.She would sit only on one side and,in my opinion something was majorly wrong.She was dragging her leg-thats how bad it was.I felt her joints and I told her I thought her hip was dislocated.Her limp was so bad yet I didnt feel it was displaysia as she was only 12 weeks.The owner said "oh shes fine-shes not in pain,whatever".I almost cried.I convinced her to take her to the vet and her hip was in fact dislocated.She could very well have displaysia,however it is very hard to know at that age.Take her to another vet and demand an xray.I know they are expensive however it would be so worth investigating whatever the problem is.If you arent happy with your vet,find a competent and experienced one.Good luck!

Kernewek 12-07-2007 05:43 AM

Thanks for the advice. I think reading this I will go to the other vet in the town. Not concerned about the cost, besides she's insured anyway. As for the breeder, well that's my parents and I helped deliver her! Both the parents have great hip scores so I was very surprised when the vet said that's what it could be.

sheplovr 12-07-2007 08:47 AM

Please let me know what is wrong, some good vets can detect this in very young puppies. Some vets these days it is all about money, come n vist throw meds at the dog and let it go. I am not evil about necessary meds, I just do not like my dogs taking what vets throw at them guessing games without blood work or xrays done. This is what is causing liver, kidney failues in dogs through time giving too many meds n chemcials put into our pets. They do not have long lives like humans, I see people coming to me crying because their pet died or was PTS because of cancer so young. Why?? Meds, flea chemicals. Some might come back and tell me one day, it happened to my pet.


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