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Old 07-19-2007, 06:38 AM   #1
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Hi Guys,

Im new to this site so just to introduce myself, my name is Gemma and I am live on the Wirral, in the UK. I have two puppies, 6 month old Blue Roan Cocker, Bailey, and 11 week old Golden Cocker, Amber (not related.)

Im extremely worried, when we got Bailey, the breeder told us to be extra careful to avoid stairs, and anything that he could fall/jump from, because of the damage it could cause to his legs in later life. She told us a story of a fellow breeder she knew who had to pay over 2000 to get her dogs leg lengthed because one was shorter than the other 3 due to a fall from a height when she was a puppy. So of course this put the fear of god into us and we were extra careful with Bailey, apart from a couple of leaps off the settee onto a soft landing of the rug he was fine, he never seemed to be too inquisative about jumping off things.

However, Amber is a different story, she seems to think she is super dog or something. To explain, when we got Bailey, he slept of the bed with us for the first couple of weeks, then we gradually moved him to his duvet by the side of the bed. In hind sight this wasnt the cleverest thing to do and has caused a couple of problems, mainly him jumping on and off the bed whenever he feels like it. We are also still struggling with toilet training, so with Amber we bought a crate and positioned it on my side of the bed. However the problem is I have been getting up in my sleep and putting her on the bed, and more than a few times ive woke up and had a shock to see her lying there having no recollection of doing it! Which brings me to my concern, on 3 occasions I have woke up to a thud of her jumping off the bed onto the laminate floor (not carpeted), I am absolutely beside myself with worry that ive damaged her legs, and whilst she hasnt yelped and isnt limping, I know the effects will prob show in later life. The bed isnt massively high but for a 10 week old puppy it is. I feel terribly guilty aswell and its really upsetting me, I know the answer is to put her in a seperate room where I cant get her out in my sleep, but with regards to the legs issue, does anyone have any advice about this?

Thanks so much!

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Old 07-19-2007, 08:20 AM   #2
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Hmm, I wouldn't believe that story about the leg to be honest. Besides a dog can cope very well with a short limb, better than we can. As long as you are sensible and don't let her over do things and she is fed a proper balanced diet then I wouldn't worry too much.
Just enjoy your puppy, sometimes they do silly things like we do but if you wrap them in cotton wool then it will be worse for them as they get older, we all leran by the mistakes we make.
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Old 07-19-2007, 08:28 AM   #3
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Hi gemmab19179 and welcome to the forum.
I would not be so quick to believe that a pup's leg would be shorter than the one on the other side because of a fall from the stairs.

Usually they just plain have trouble with stairs because the steps are as big as they are, but they are not THAT fragile.

Have a look around the puppies section, you may find a thread or two that describes what you are going through.

Also do please look at these:
How to: Crate Train
How to: Resolve Housebreaking problems

It might be a good idea to decide whether you want the pup on the bed or off to sleep. This is your personal choice, but keep in mind that once they get used to being on the bed at night it is hard to swtich them to being in a crate or on the floor later when they are bigger. If you want her on the bed and are worried about her falling off, put some pillows on the floor next to the bed.

Good luck and please let us know how you get on!
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Old 07-19-2007, 09:45 AM   #4
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Welcome!

I don't think the story about the leg being shorter because of a fall is true. It's probably just a story that the breeder told you to make you pay full attention to the puppy at all times.
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Old 07-19-2007, 10:07 AM   #5
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My Maltese jumped off the couch and tore both his cruciate ligaments,because of his size the orthopedist wanted to watch him to see if he healed without surgery,so off we wen't every two weeks for a check up.Lil Bit was very lucky. The orthopedist's advice "no more jumping for him". That was 8 yrs. ago .He did not need surgery,The Dr. said she could not bring him back any better then he was but to limit excersise, If he runs around to much he will limp a wee bit,but that usually goes away,her advice was first he would most likely get arthritis in the legs because of the fall, and I think thats why he limps a little. So I would advice you to NOT let him get use to the bed because dogs have a tendency to jump off when ever they hear something or just for the heck of it.He is not allowed to do stairs either, so gates in our house are part of the furniture
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In the larger breed dogs you usually carry them up stairs and TRY to keep them from jumping alot... I wouldn't worry about the cocker so much.

And frankly, how many of us can keep a pup from jumping when it wants to jump anyway?

This is a natual thing. I mean, kids fall of bikes, dogs fall off the couch, cats have to be rescued from drowning in the fish tank... accidents happen and we are none the worse for wear for it.

Besides, dogs are far more resiliant than we assume. Dogs are some seriously tough people.

All is well. 'Worry pas' as we say over here.

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Hello and welcome to the forum. Great to have you with us. I doubt a few jumps off the bed are going to cause any damage to your pups. For the most part, pups are made out of "rubber" and have a great deal of flexibility. The point is to make sure your pup isn't overly exerting its joints. Puppies have lots of tumbles while growing up & almost all come through it without problems.

The links you've been provided are good ones to learn more about housebreaking & crate training.
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That story sounded well dodgy that your breeder told you. Sounds like shes covering up for some problems that she knows affects her dogs she is selling.

Were the dam and sire health tested before the conception???

Does her dogs exhibit any health problems with their legs??

Sorry to sound so negative, but 1 leg shorter than the other due to a fall sounds a bit far fetched.

I have an Alaskan Malamute and they have been known to have HD, that is why all rep. breeders with health check every dam and sire, they have a points system that they work on, if it is high then they will not breed from them.

I dont let Syler upstairs, onto the sofa, jump up at people or at the stair gate. As little puppies their bones are still so very soft (not soft enough to make one leg shorter tho) that this may hinder problems later on in life. This is why pups shouldnt be walked very far for the first year of their life either for the exact same reason. Too much exercise is a bad as them standing on their back legs or going up and down stairs.

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That story sounded well dodgy that your breeder told you. Sounds like shes covering up for some problems that she knows affects her dogs she is selling.

Were the dam and sire health tested before the conception???

Does her dogs exhibit any health problems with their legs??

Sorry to sound so negative, but 1 leg shorter than the other due to a fall sounds a bit far fetched.


Welcome by the way and have fun
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dont let this spoil your enjoyment of your puppy, uneccessariily worrying all the time.
Enjoy him ....Im sure you will probably get through life without any major problems.

Good luck..
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Old 07-19-2007, 10:21 AM   #10
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Thanks for all your replies, for the most youve really put my mind at ease, it sounds stupid perhaps but ive been really upset today in work imaging whats going to happen to her.

I did also think the short leg story was quite far fetched, but being a new dog owner I didnt and still dont want to take chances. Im rather worried about the little maltese who tore their ligaments, I so hope that doesnt happen but I think Amber might be limping a bit surely if it had?

Im trying to not to be paranoid, as like one fellow member said, its like children have accidents, cats do etc so you cant wrap them up in cotton wool but I am getting stressed out at all this jumping lark, I dont want to stunt her growth.

I'll have to be extra vigilant in future, but at least ive had some assurance that im not going to be responsible for turning my gorgeous little pup into hopalong cassidy!

Thanks allx

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