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Old 07-16-2007, 01:43 PM   #1
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Hello. Just wondered if anyone had any thoughts on our situation. We've been on the waiting list for another Beagle pup for a while and the breeder finally contacted us to say her bitch went into labour a few days back. It seems the bitch had an awful time in delivering the pups and because of this only one pup survived. Firstly, I ma obviously concerned any only one survived and secondly, I am worried that the singleton pup will miss out on the learning from its siblings stage. The breeder is very reputable and she does have five other dogs, the youngest of whom is only 6 months old, so the pup would have lots of other dog company. I have heard people say not to touch a singleton pup..............just wondered if anyone had any thoughts on this??

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Old 07-16-2007, 02:00 PM   #2
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My dog sable had 2 pups and one died at a week old from liver faliure, so the remaining pup was the only one, i kept him, and have had him since birht and have not seen a bit of difference between him and dogs that were born into larger litters.

Its not uncommon for smaller dogs to have single pup or 2 pup litters as they cannot fit as many in their small bodies. i dont think you should have any problem with wanting this pup as long as its healthy and cared for properly my the breeder and the mother dog, you may want to wait a little bit longer to get the pup till its 10-12 weeks old so that it can get its optim al nutrition from mom, and learn some vital behaviors from her too like bite inhibition.
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Old 07-16-2007, 02:27 PM   #3
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I wouldn't worry about a single pup being a problem. You may have some additional training in the area of mouthing but that's easily handled with time, patience & consistency.

Hello and welcome to the forum. Great to have you with us.

I've had that happen to me with single kitten litters & those kittens tend to be the most confident (and spoiled) babies & make exceptional pets that are much more tuned into their owner & less on other distractions.

I wouldn't necessarily call it a plus — but I wouldn't consider it a serious drawback or reason not to get a pup.
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Old 07-16-2007, 05:53 PM   #4
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The potential problem for singleton pups that don't have to compete for a nipple, don't get to be screeched at for nipping too hard or struggle in any way, is that they don't learn early on, as their personalities are being molded to deal with frustration. They don't develop a tolerance for small aggravations. This can lead to one of those rare pups, that are very young....and yet, they show a hard glare and get really truly angry with very little provocation.

If the breeder has lots of time and is diligent and does things like move the pup off a nipple a few times during each feeding, gently pushes the pup away from his mom, maybe onto his back just for a couple of seconds, it is something at least to get him used to feeling that frustration and learning to tolerate it. She need not harrass the pup and cause a lot of stress to him, but there are exercises and things to do for that.

Being with older puppies surely helps, but it's definitely important that he has to compete with others for the same thing and learn to tolerate a certain amount of aggravation or frustration. And learn how to have that "bounce back" ability.....to get right over it. When that period is missed, it's extremely difficult, if not impossible to retrieve it. It has a lasting and profound impact on the dog's development and personality.

I'd be inclined to wait for another litter. JMO.

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The potential problem for singleton pups that don't have to compete for a nipple, don't get to be screeched at for nipping too hard or struggle in any way, is that they don't learn early on, as their personalities are being molded to deal with frustration. They don't develop a tolerance for small aggravations. This can lead to one of those rare pups, that are very young....and yet, they show a hard glare and get really truly angry with very little provocation.

If the breeder has lots of time and is diligent and does things like move the pup off a nipple a few times during each feeding, gently pushes the pup away from his mom, maybe onto his back just for a couple of seconds, it is something at least to get him used to feeling that frustration and learning to tolerate it. She need not harrass the pup and cause a lot of stress to him, but there are exercises and things to do for that.

Being with older puppies surely helps, but it's definitely important that he has to compete with others for the same thing and learn to tolerate a certain amount of aggravation or frustration. And learn how to have that "bounce back" ability.....to get right over it. When that period is missed, it's extremely difficult, if not impossible to retrieve it. It has a lasting and profound impact on the dog's development and personality.

I'd be inclined to wait for another litter. JMO.
Great post!

Very interesting...But it makes sense - sort of like only child syndrome (which I happen to be a product of - but I share my toys.)

When I worked at the ranch I boarded at, there was a aussie/bc mix that had a litter in the barn. This bitch was an awesome ranch dog. Only one of her litter survived and it grew up healthy, but she was the most spoiled brat of a pup I have ever known. This dog had no tolerance for frustration whatsoever - she was equally awesome as her mother, but retired at 7 months old because she couldn't handle when things didn't go her way - instead of trying harder she would either lash out or lay down.
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Old 07-17-2007, 10:50 AM   #6
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Erin, that's interesting about the Aussie mix. Yes, there is just so much humans can do to replicate what puppies go through in that early developmental period between birth and about 7 or 8 weeks.

I'm glad you share your toys, btw. LOL.

It's not my own insight. I remember reading about this in a book by Patricia McConnell, PH.D. (For the Love of a Dog) It's an excellent read btw. She talked about this. She aquired this pup and mom from someone else because they were going to put him down, I think the story went.

Something else I recall is that she used a puppy-sized stuffed animal to push the puppy off a nipple. She said that the last thing she wanted was the puppy learning that, "Oh no! Here comes a human." So about 3 times a day (I think she said) she'd take the stuffy and gently push puppy off nipple. She said that he'd squeel and she'd silently apologize (lol) and then do it again.

She spent lots of time touching and stroking him in a pleasurable way and let the stuffed animal do the "dirty work." This puppy growled at her at 5 weeks of age when she had just touched him.

Anyhow, there is more to it that she wrote about. She was really basically experimenting and had powerfully strong reservations about taking this pup in the first place. This early development is profoundly vital to how the pup turns out.

Anyhow, if it were me, I'd let someone more experienced take that pup....(would encourage the breeder to start doing some of these things, read that book) And I'd wait for another litter.

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I suspected there would be conflicting advice on this one. I can't say that I disagree with your concerns; however, I do believe patience & training can overcome these things.

I always lean on the side of the right handler with the right amount of initiative can overcome any behavior drawbacks. (This is probably the only area in life where I'm an eternal optimist.)
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Hi there
we mated our dog Oscar and the bitch gave birth in March this year to a single dog puppy.
We decided to have him, I already have 2 male whippets. He is the loveliest puppy, very outgoing and a joy to have around. He is very independant ...never cried for his mum when he arrived and has been so far very easy to train and is a very quick learner indeed.

I would definitely say go for the pup if you really like it.....Im so pleased I did Archie is just brilliant.

heres a picture of mum and baby at a few days old...



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A-w-w-w....a success story! I'm sure that there are exceptions to the trepidation that Patricia McConnell, behaviorist and scientist had when she wrote that chapter in her book. And to her account of her story. I think being an optimist is wonderful. I wish I were more that way. I tend to err on the side of caution, sometimes too much. Great picture. Beautiful dogs.

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A-w-w-w....a success story! I'm sure that there are exceptions to the trepidation that Patricia McConnell, behaviorist and scientist had when she wrote that chapter in her book. And to her account of her story. I think being an optimist is wonderful. I wish I were more that way. I tend to err on the side of caution, sometimes too much. Great picture. Beautiful dogs.
Must admit maybe if Id been going to see someone elses litter and they had told me there was only one, I may have been slightly wary

...but as my dog was the sire and my friends mother the bitch....it was a very easy decision to say 'Oh hes coming to live with us'

as it is he has turned out 'just perfect.........
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