DogForum.net | Dog Forums and Community
     
 
Home Gallery Register Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Calendar Members List
Search
Go Back   DogForum.net | Dog Forums and Community > DogForum.net > New Members

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 07-07-2013, 11:30 AM   #1
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 1

Rep: 10 Jerry holstein is on a distinguished road
Unique Rep: 0
Default Brothers who fight

Hi, I am Jerry and I am looking for some advice.
I am presently working in Ghana in West Africa, and a friend of my got posted back to the US and needed a home for his 2 Doberman brothers, who are Swiss bred and 4-1/2 years old. They are basically very good dogs, with a basic level of training. They are friendly, loving and very good guard dogs. I have had them about 3 months, and they have settled well at my house, but…. They fight each other. When I say fight I mean serious fights. I have had leg injuries, cuts on their faces, neck bites all sorts. I have had to have the vet out to patch them back up. These fights are not once in a while but a daily thing, which ranges from growling and showing of teeth to full on.
I am unsure on the way forward to stop this. I am thinking it might be a dominance thing. I am trying to arrange a dog walker to run them every day. I have advertised them for stud work, in case frustration is part of the problem. I really don’t want to castrate them unless this will grantee a stop to the problem. The other option I have considered is splitting them up, by finding a home for the one whom seems to be the instigator, but I am worried that as they have been together since birth, what affect this will have on them. If I did this I do have a third much younger dog, who gets on very well with the dog I would keep.
Any tips or advice is much appreciated.

Jerry holstein is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-2013, 10:17 PM   #2
Senior Member
 
Kaos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posts: 4,293

Rep: 264 Kaos is a jewel in the roughKaos is a jewel in the roughKaos is a jewel in the rough
Unique Rep: 68
Default

Honestly, this is a very common problem with keeping siblings. The more similar dogs are in age, gender, size etc the more likely they will have these kinds of problems. The fact that they are both entire won't be helping, but nobody can guarantee you that desexing one or both will definitely resolve the issue, it might or might not. Increased exercise is always a good idea, but unlikely on it's own to solve the problem. Using one or other for breeding is only likely to make matters worse.

I would absolutely consider rehoming one of the dogs. Daily fights means that they are constantly living with an unacceptable level of stress (and probably so are you!). If you aren't prepared to do this, then you need to immediately separate the dog and hire yourself a good trainer or behaviourist to assess the situation. In most studies where siblings have eventually been separated, they both thrive, and certainly where there are such frequent fights, it can only be a vast improvement in quality of life for both dogs.

Kaos is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2013, 08:39 PM   #3
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: The Woodlands, TX
Posts: 8,499

Rep: 56 DeeLind7 will become famous soon enough
Unique Rep: 29
Default

Kaos, great advise!

DeeLind7 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2013, 05:44 AM   #4
Senior Member
 
Bigboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: UK: Stoke on trent
Posts: 13,349

Rep: 73 Bigboy will become famous soon enough
Unique Rep: 38
Default

interesting and of course I have seen a few threads on this regarding keeping 2 pups from the same litter! But don't some of them get along? Dogs are pack animals right and like to be together in a close knit community. know it's not a boredem thing but if both dogs were kept busy with activites during the day wouldn't this help Jerry welcome aboard to Df I hope you get
the problem sorted!
__________________
" Iam chillin with the forum! "

Thanks Monkey! I been fleeced Thanks Skunkstripe. Dave

ATB!

Bigboy is offline Bigboy's Gallery  
Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2013, 09:59 AM   #5
Senior Member
 
Dunbar's Mom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: USA
Posts: 3,736

Rep: 50 Dunbar's Mom will become famous soon enough
Unique Rep: 11
Default

Welcome to df. In the past we have had 2 males from the same litter, and by about a year old they have settled out the Alpha dog thing and have gotten along fine. I think Kaos has given some very good advice.

Dunbar's Mom is offline Dunbar's Mom's Gallery  
Reply With Quote
Old 07-09-2013, 05:16 PM   #6
Senior Member
 
Monkey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: North Massapequa
Posts: 9,812

Rep: 131 Monkey will become famous soon enoughMonkey will become famous soon enough
Unique Rep: 65
Default

I second Kaos...It is natures way of keeping genetics separate, often sister and brother won't get along either.. I just helped a couple rehoming a jack russel after having two sisters from the same litter.They were fighting just as much as the two of yours are. You would do them and you a favor by finding one of them a home.. Sorry.. Wish I had better news..
__________________
I love dogs cause they do not lie.

"I'm chillin' with the forum!

"I've been fleeced by Draco!"
"I've been fleeced by JGLI"

Monkey is offline Monkey's Gallery  
Reply With Quote
Old 07-10-2013, 08:38 AM   #7
Senior Member
 
Bigboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: UK: Stoke on trent
Posts: 13,349

Rep: 73 Bigboy will become famous soon enough
Unique Rep: 38
Default

Why do siblings from the same litter tend to fight! is it a rivalary thing? In a pack of wild dogs I would presume the same thing happening, but wouldn't the pack leader intervene? interesting stuff
__________________
" Iam chillin with the forum! "

Thanks Monkey! I been fleeced Thanks Skunkstripe. Dave

ATB!

Bigboy is offline Bigboy's Gallery  
Reply With Quote
Old 07-10-2013, 09:09 AM   #8
Senior Member
 
Bigboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: UK: Stoke on trent
Posts: 13,349

Rep: 73 Bigboy will become famous soon enough
Unique Rep: 38
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunbar's Mom View Post
Welcome to df. In the past we have had 2 males from the same litter, and by about a year old they have settled out the Alpha dog thing and have gotten along fine. I think Kaos has given some very good advice.
So was there any training involved under 'close' supervision or it just petered out on its own?
__________________
" Iam chillin with the forum! "

Thanks Monkey! I been fleeced Thanks Skunkstripe. Dave

ATB!

Bigboy is offline Bigboy's Gallery  
Reply With Quote
Old 07-10-2013, 11:04 AM   #9
Senior Member
 
Monkey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: North Massapequa
Posts: 9,812

Rep: 131 Monkey will become famous soon enoughMonkey will become famous soon enough
Unique Rep: 65
Default

Bigboy, if you look at my post you have the answer, has nothing to do with pack leader.. In the wild dog's dont run in packs.. Littermates (and this happens in wolf packs too) tend to start fighting around a certain age, this is to ensure they do not reproduce. It is a deep seated genetic response, even milder breeds as flat coats will argue, opposite genders also. Just to ensure spreading of the genetics so its healthy beings.. In wolf packs one usually leave the pack to go and either build a new one or find a new one..
__________________
I love dogs cause they do not lie.

"I'm chillin' with the forum!

"I've been fleeced by Draco!"
"I've been fleeced by JGLI"

Monkey is offline Monkey's Gallery  
Reply With Quote
Old 07-10-2013, 11:19 AM   #10
Senior Member
 
Bigboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: UK: Stoke on trent
Posts: 13,349

Rep: 73 Bigboy will become famous soon enough
Unique Rep: 38
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Monkey View Post
Bigboy, if you look at my post you have the answer, has nothing to do with pack leader.. In the wild dog's dont run in packs.. Littermates (and this happens in wolf packs too) tend to start fighting around a certain age, this is to ensure they do not reproduce. It is a deep seated genetic response, even milder breeds as flat coats will argue, opposite genders also. Just to ensure spreading of the genetics so its healthy beings.. In wolf packs one usually leave the pack to go and either build a new one or find a new one..
Yes saw that stops them breeding from the same litter. Makes sense
__________________
" Iam chillin with the forum! "

Thanks Monkey! I been fleeced Thanks Skunkstripe. Dave

ATB!

Bigboy is offline Bigboy's Gallery  
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:23 AM.

Shogun Interactive Development Copyright © 2006-2015 Shogun Interactive Development. All rights reserved.