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Old 01-21-2013, 10:32 PM   #1
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Hi there. We just recently purchased a puppy for our family. My husband and I are in disagreement over the puppys eating habits. If the dog hasn't eaten for a few hours, say from 8a.m. to 5p.m. my husband acts as if the dog is starving and starts mixing treats into his food. I am against this for 3 reasons. 1. I thought our goal was to use treats to reinforce positive behavior and as a training tool. giving him treats whenever will eventually lose all meaning to the dog in my opinion. 2. Its unhealthy. Im sure even though they are good quality treats they are loaded in calories and do not really have that much nutritional value and 3. As far as I know a healthy dog will not starve himself and I wouldn't really consider 8 or so hours starving. Any thoughts opinions or facts?

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Absolutely agree with you, a healthy dog won't starve itself, and trying to tempt it to eat by mixing in high value treats will only result in a very fussy dog.

Are you removing any food that isn't eaten after mealtimes or are you free feeding?

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jaxpug, welcome to the Forum! I have to agree with Kaos. Your Husband is not doing your pup any favors. What kind of dog do you have? Not that it makes a difference in terms of feeding it, I was just wondering. And, we love pictures!

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he is free feeding him. removing the food after he eats to see what and how often he is actually eating seems like a good idea. Im not even certain the dog isn't eating. my husband just may not see or hear him doing it. he is a three month old puggle that has been seen twice by the vet with no concerns. i have not owned a dog in my adult life and want to be sure we are doing our best. i need to do more research into howmuch food and how often for his size and/or breed

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Personally I am not a fan of free feeding at all. I would feed at set mealtimes, remove any uneaten food after five minutes.

If you want to use food as a reinforcement for training purposes free feeding is a bad idea, it tends to devalue food. In addition, many free fed dogs will become obese.

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8 hours without food is too long for a puppy this age. Approaching maximum growth (between now and April), your puppy shouldn't be going longer than about 4 hours without food during waking hours. I agree with you that your husband is doing the puppy no favors by adding treats to the food.

At 3 months, your puppy needs somewhere between 80% and 125% more food than an adult of the same weight. Exactly how much depends on your puppy's weight. How much you need to be feeding changes as your dog grows.

How often to feed - because a puppy needs so much more energy to sustain proper growth and development, and so much more food, a puppy needs to eat more often than an adult. It's stomach is smaller and needs enough time to process one meal before the next arrives. Also, to sustain growth, a puppy needs to have a steady supply of energy around the clock. Your puppy is approaching maximum growth and needs feeding about four times a day, right now. At about 7 months, you can cut back to 3 feedings a day. By 12 months, the puppy can be down to two feedings a day. One feeding per day is possible, once the puppy has stopped growing, but even then, it's still better to divide the day's rations between two meals.

If you can share your dog's weight, and what brand and food you are feeding, I can tell you how much you need to be feeding for a given weight and age. Remember that every dog is a little different, and you may need to adjust, slightly, but I can get you to within about 1/4 cup of how much you need to be feeding.
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Yes you are correct a healthy dog won't starve but will often hang out in the hope for treats etc and this will make your dog fussy. I also have set meal times when I feed my girl and expect it to be eaten within within minuites and not hrs as would be the case in free feeding . There are various thoughts on this some vets recomend if the food has not been eaten within 20 mins the bowl must be lifted and nothing else offered before the bowl is put down again.
Evetually your dog will realise nothing else is going to be offered to eat so I will eat what's put down or go hungry Go figure. Believe you me i have suffered with a very fussy eater bue to my friend giving in and either adding stuff to her food or giving her treats first in the hope she will eat her meal afterwards is there any chance you could take over the feeding schedule and get control back? And I know you are right on what you say treats are a great training tool and I believe once a command has been learned properly then the treats must be weaned off gradually but never wean off the praise Good luck and let us know what happens
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He's just over 8 pounds and is eating Blue Buffalo puppy food. I've actually read a lot of bad reviews about that product but because that is what the owner of the pet store said was the best. We were told by the vet to look for foods that list real meat as their first ingredient. I had originally been giving him presidents choice based on a friends suggestion and online reviews I read. My husband felt that because it wasn't brand names it was not okay so he changed his food to Blue Buffalo.

Another thing I should mention is Biscuit vomits quite often. Pretty much on a daily basis. He's been to the vet twice in the last month and the vet said it was probably from finding little bits of things around the house on the floor.

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He's just over 8 pounds and is eating Blue Buffalo puppy food. I've actually read a lot of bad reviews about that product but because that is what the owner of the pet store said was the best. We were told by the vet to look for foods that list real meat as their first ingredient. I had originally been giving him presidents choice based on a friends suggestion and online reviews I read. My husband felt that because it wasn't brand names it was not okay so he changed his food to Blue Buffalo.

Another thing I should mention is Biscuit vomits quite often. Pretty much on a daily basis. He's been to the vet twice in the last month and the vet said it was probably from finding little bits of things around the house on the floor.
Just because it's not a branded dog food doesn't mean it's bad food either So keep doing your reviews! And yes it's quite possible that Biscuit is picking up things around the house you need to start training Biscuit the rules of your house! A puppy at 8 weeks/or even 8 months old is not too young to lay down house rules you need to start now
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Puppies often vomit when the stomach is empty.. Is he vomitting food? or just yellow bile? if its yellow bile it is because tummy is empty and thus following vagrey's feeding schedule that should disappear...

HOWEVER, if he vomits up food, then there can be a list of things.. I find it weird though that if he has vomited daily, and it is not yellow bile that maybe you should find another vet and get a 2nd opinion..
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