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Old 05-20-2012, 08:54 PM   #1
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Unhappy Help!! Minpin issues I'm at my wits end!!

Hello all! I have been searching the Internet for days looking for an active site that has replies! Glad to have found one!! I have major issues with my min pin, Pynk. She is 3 years old and not potty trained I have had her since she was little and she has used pee pads, won't go outside. Now, she only uses the pee pads if she is 100% happy. Say I'm eating something and don't give her a bite, she gets mad and when I put the plate away she goes and pees where ever she wants to. ( I do not believe in table feeding dogs, however my boyfriend always does he also has been in her life this whole time) I do not like the fact that once you do table feed them they sit and stare and beg everytime you eat. I have children and she tries to jump on them and stand at the chair begging, I tell her go sit down about 30 times a meal. She goes sits and ten seconds later she's back, she doesn't listen to me and I feel like she sabotages me on purpose. Now if I show her 100% love cuddle etc she will go potty on the pad, but as me being the owner I feel I shouldn't have to kiss her a** for her to be good. It's so bad my house is permanently damaged after shampooing, a million different cleaners, vinegar, baking soda, the smell won't come out. Its not just pee, she poops everywhere to. I get up in the middle of the night to feed a newborn and step in wet spots and poop! You don't know how mad this makes me, I have tried kenneling, and only letting her out to try to use the pad, doesn't work she pees in the kennel right when she gets in because she is mad I put her in there. I have been wanting to move for over a year now but am not with this going on, and need to soon as my baby will be crawling soon, I also have a two yr old who plays on this floor, to be 100% honest if it were my choice I would drop her off at the humane society or get rid of her, I resent her, I am the one cleaning after her night and day and kids working, college and housework it's too much, I cry daily I get so mad. I haven't yet bc my boyfriend says if she goes he goes. He doesn't get my frustration he thinks it's okay. Someone please help I have to figure something out asap I'm sooooooooooo over this!!!!

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Sorry to hear you've found yourself and your dog in such a difficult situation. First of all, if she isn't potty trained it's not because she's mad at you. Dogs simply don't think that way. She's doing it because she hasn't been properly trained. It will take constant supervision, absolute consistency and a whole lot of patience to actually housetrain her. House training her properly and teaching her some manners isn't going to happen overnight since she has been allowed to continue this unwanted behavior for three years! But please don't give up on her; all of these things can be fairly easily resolved if you're willing to work at it.

Before even beginning the house training you'll need to clean your carpet thoroughly with an enzyme cleaner to remove all traces of odors of urine and feces. To house train her, she should be kept within your sight constantly, never giving her a chance to mess in the house; even if you have to keep her on a leash tied to your waist. Take her out regularly every two to three hours beginning with first thing in the morning and stay outside with her till she goes. When she does go pee or poo outside, praise her generously.

Please don't even consider giving up on her as it will most likely mean a sure fire death sentence for her. If you've known and loved her for three years and don't want to put up with the mess and bad manners, it's a given that no one else would want to take her on at this stage.

It can be done if you're willing to put the time and effort into her!

Another thought; It would also be a good idea to take her to the vet to rule out the possibility of bladder infection or urinary incontinence.

Good luck. Please keep us updated on how the training is going.
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Nicely said Applesmom, couldn't have said it better myself ^^

I'd just like to add- If you want to properly house-train her, stop using 'potty pads' completely, these actually encourage a dog to relieve themselves anywhere in the house(not just on the pads) and never fully house-train a dog.

You will have to train her in house-training completely from scratch, just as one would train a puppy.

Good luck!

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Old 05-21-2012, 01:10 AM   #4
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Thanks, I know a lot of people with small dogs that use pads and their dogs are just fine with them, i am actually a huge cat person I know everything about them and zero about dogs, coping due to my boyfriend. I have studied her and her particular breed and they are kind of all like this, but I guess with consistent training maybe it can work. I know it won't be overnight, lol... but hope it's within a couple months!! Hopefully she is like a cat and after a few times continues and has no issues!!!

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Ah, min pins are adorable!

I'm so lucky my dog was pretty much house trained. I don't have any words or advice, but I just want you to know that it's going to be alright! If you feel frustrated at the dog, remember that dogs don't think like we do. I'm sure your dog is not scheming with some evil intent to make you so frustrated you'd want to cry.

Cheer up! And hope everything works out fine.

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Missdray, applesmom gave you great advise. You will have to start from scratch. If you need to leave the house, then think about crating her. I have a long hair Chi, Scooter. I too, got 2 different training books on Chihuahua's. Both books said that they hate being cold, will not go out in the winter time, or when it's raining, and recommended the wee wee pads. A winter coat was also recommended. Now, I have always been a large dog person. I hated little dogs, especially Chihuahua's. I found every little dog to be yappy, snappy, and untrained. Then I got to thinking. If I don't allow my two large Collies to relieve themselves in the house, why should I allow a little dog to? The books had to be wrong. So I decided to train this little guy just as I trained my large dogs. I had excellent results. He does go out in the rain and the snow. He is not a yappy, snappy, untrained dog. He HATES any type of clothing, and don't even think about picking him up. No winter coat for him. To me a dog is just that. A dog. Size should not matter at all. Little dogs are not toys. They just happen to be tiny. Training your mini Pin should be no different than training any other dog.

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Are you telling her off and smacking, or furious, when you put her in the crate, as she may immediately pee out of fear or misery. If you are angry with her, and she knows it, she may be too scared to want to ask to go outside. I was laughing at me, the other day, thinking how weird to go through life, being told, "Well Done!!!" every time I went to the loo, cos even years later, automatically, they go to the loo, and I say, "Well Done!!!"

Minpins are such lovely little dogs.

You definitely need the proper enzyme cleaner, as recommended. Ammonia will make the smell stronger to her and encourage the weeing, and the others don't remove the smell, to her.

Your bf should be willing to take her outside, when home, as he wants her. He should also pull his weight with training. All my dogs know TOILIES and rush out and pee and sometimes poo. My little terriers come and tell me. One even taps on the glass door, if I am not paying attention.

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Hi Missdray. Sorry to hear about your issues. The good news is I believe your dog can be successfully house trained. The bad news is, it's going to take a HUGE change in your (and your boyfriend's) behaviour for this to happen. If you have been trying for 3 years without success, I am going to be brutally honest and say I don't think you will succeed without the help of a good trainer. What you save in cleaning products and pee pads alone will make this a wise investment if you are prepared to follow through religiously on the trainer's advice. You need an in home consult so your trainer can help you set up your house in a way that will allow you and your dog to succeed.

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Hi Missdray first up welcome aboard to Df!!! Very sorry to hear of your problems good advice has been given the pads will have to go as they often cause further problems The area's where she as been will have to throughly cleaned too and fi you have a steam cleaner use this after the main cleaning has been done. If the carpets have been throughly wet through with the urine (are there wooden floors under the carpets?) If there is these will need freshening up too to get rid of all traces of urine!
You will have your work cut out to change her behaviour but it's still achiveable you will need to be consistant 100% on this and make it clear to your bf that HE has to help you on this as it's driving you crazy And kaos is right you might need to enlist the help of trainer 2 heads are always better than one on this Good luck and let us know how you get on and don't forget whe she starts going out side Praise,praise and praise again make a huge fuss she will associate the praise with going out side and it will get easier!!!!!
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Let's take it one problem at a time...potty training...

You have trained your dog to go to the bathroom in the house. Those pee pads should be outlawed.

You have to start the potty training process all over from scratch. The best thing to do is google for detailed instructions or as someone mentioned contacted a trainer is you can afford it to get all of your problems addresses

Potty training is all about creating a schedule and being consistent.

You will need a crate and a leash. How big is the crate you are using? Is it big enough for her to pee or poo and than move to another section? If so it is too big, get a smaller crate. Typically dogs will not mess where they have to stay but if they can make a bathroom section of a crate they will.

Start fresh tomorrow morning. Get up bring her out. Think of a potty word and start using it. I use "Go Potty" and keep saying in an excited happy voice until she does. When she does praise her. If she doesn't bring her in and back in the crate for an hour. After the hour is over bring her our and repeat the first step. Do this until she goes.

...and it builds from there. When in the house you will want to keep her near you so she can't sneak off and go somewhere. Keep a leash on her and tether her to a chair or something. Implement the place command.


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