ajshep1984

How is it possible to breed crosses responsibly, pedigree breeders are often reluctant to let their dogs/puppies be used with other breeds so how are people who seriously want to breed crosses, whatever the reason, supposed to find good quality, healthy dogs with known linage to breed from? Why are breeders so against their dogs being used with another breed? Is it possible to breed crosses responsibly?

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Jake2006

I have absolutely no idea. But there will be members on here who will offer some good advice I'm sure.

Look at the Labradoodle, that's a Lab and Poodle. So it is done.

Irish Water Spaniels were bred originally with Greyhounds, French/Spanish Water Dog, and something else - nobody really know what.

The important thing is to breed healthy dogs, from healthy dogs. But I don't know how you would breed cross-pedigree dogs.

boxerpups

I am sure it is possible to breed responsible..but the question I would ask is WHY!!!!!!

You are right also, no responsible breeder would allow their stock to be used in the making of a new designer breed.

But I guess the way to do it is to buy a well bred dog of each breed you wish to use in your breeding plan, and make sure you health test both dogs for the relevant health problems in both breeds.

But you would have to have a world of knowledge of both breeds , their lines, health implactions of crossing two different breeds, temperament comparison and so much more.

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skunkstripe

As far as I am concerned, health screening is the most important thing regardless of whether breeding purebrds or mixes.

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Chaz

I think that it would be in health screening make sure that the parents are healthy, and keep health screening any off spring before you again breed them. I do think that breeding crosses would be a lot harder on a person then breeding a allready established breed, as there would be more chances of things propping up, so you would have to be, I think more able to pts any puppies that things might be wrong on that could affect their lives for the worse.

As far as lines go, as long as the dams or sires are well known people seem to know where they come from, e.g you would have a puppy from X lines, which would be considered better then a puppy of the same cross from Y line. Its strange but a dog that is well known or famous in the circle that is doing the cross fanciers or breeders of that dog would be able to trace to a certain extent the parents of that dog, if you say the name of the dog and owner, and even where you got it, people deeply invovled in that cross do know.

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applesmom

The original Australian Labradoodle and the Alaskan Klee Kai are two examples of how it can be done properly.

Both had different goals, yet each were truly dedicated and meticulous in their record keeping. However the labradoodle craze and overabundance of careless breeding by byb may keep the original labradoodle from ever becoming a recognised breed.

http://labradoodles.wordpress.com/20...-wally-conron/

http://www.alaskankleekai.com/spurlin/

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Chaz

I just read the labradoodle one Apples, isn't it wierd how no one wanted a cross breed, but everyone wanted a Labradoodle?

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sharian

I am totally against the breeding of pedigree crossbreeds, 1. There are more than enough pedigree breeds available to fulfill everyones requirements for a dog either as a pet to show or to work, or all three. 2. The fact that they are not recognized by the KC in itself is self explanatory, as the breeding of these hybrids will be out with KC control, which is resulting in anyone breeding from anything that has four working limbs and a pulse. (this is demonstrated by ads in the paper appearing for Labxpoodle, JRxpoodle, spanielxpoodle. 3. The amount of rescue centres and charities that are trying to rehome unwanted dogs, is proof in itself that we have more than enough dogs in Britain and indeed on this planet, so why on earth invent more?!!!!
We would be better off getting to the bottom of health and temperament problems that are reoccuring in old established breeds. There is also no excuse for 'it was an accident', a tablet from the vet is all it takes to stop irresponsible breeding and contributing to the ever growing problems of unwanted and stray dogs.

janie

I agree with Sharian on this to conciously cross breeds is not IMO wise and totally not needed, when you breed you are doing so for the betterment of the breed you are trying to help support the health and good temprement of that breed and keep it from becoming so mixed that breeds become watered down and threatened.

You play with things too much they get spoilt, we have a labradoodle near to us and its skittish, snappy and mad it comes across as neurotic. It could be argued any dog from any breed could behave in this way but you surely reduce the risks if you breed like for like and even then you have to be so careful you are mateing the correct dog with the correct female.

We are only very new to the breeding scene but I definitely would not let one of my pups go knowing that they were going to be cross bred all my puppies will go with breeding restrictions and only if I feel the owners are going to breed responsibly schanuzer to schnauzer and with my input to help them, would I ever consider lifting the resriction, so any one wanting to breed with a pup I ever have will have to stay in touch with me as I would not even consider doing this until the dog was nearly 2 years old so I knew what her temprement was like, how shed grown in stature and how her health was.

Chaz

Janie from what I know about breed restrictions you are only restricting the puppies of the dogs that you bred from being registered, so someone who has one of your pups could breed with a dog from another breed, but I might be wrong.

I do think that breeding cross breeds for a purpose is allright, there has been plenty of breeds that have become rare, as they are not the best suited for pet homes, and another breed that has come from another crossing has took over them, dogs if they are continually bred to the breed standards will not evolve, is breeding for better dogs then not a good thing? And I also think that there is no 'pure' breed, all breeds at one point have had another breed added, even Greyhounds that are classed as a acient breed had some bull blood introduced so are they really a anciet breed?

Also Lucrchers and longdogs are a good example of people breeding for work (not mine though) depeneding on where people are they need different types, e.g. if they live and work on tough terrian, this is where the speed and agilty of a sighthound would come into play, but so would the substance of say a bully breed, if someone wants a dog with more intelligance as well as speed the collie is added, and whippets and greys are crossed as well if a fast dog is needed, but to be bigger then the whippet, but smaller then the grey, there is plenty of reasons.

The real 'labradoodles' are another good example, where the woman who needed a guide dog was allergic to dog hair, but there was no suitable poodles who could be found, so they crossed a good lab with a good poodle, but now byb have jumped on the bandwagon, and ruined what could of become a great working dog, not only for blind or disabled people, but the could of potentailly been great in the field.

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