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Old 03-02-2009, 06:52 AM   #91
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I think, what you are missing is tha fact people make choices to feed and vacinate their dogs on what they deem best .

Your attutude has come across as your view is the only right one.

Kibble foods are not as you suggest... they have come a long way , and along with some bad ones there are many many very good ones and it is an indeviduals choice whether they wish to feed dry over raw...and not be made to feel they are 1|) inflicting a death sentence on them, because they have different view from yours.

I see from your profile you have only owned dogs for a few yrs...yet you try and dictate to people who have probably forgotten more in dog management that some will ever learn.


I am surprised that you would be so anti vaccinations and health management living in Bulgaria... as with many European countries animal welfare is not at the top of their list ... And the fact disease is rife in such countries within the stray dog population... any form of protection to ensure the well being of your dogs would be at the top of mine.

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My research indicates Cardiomyopathy, which affects almost every breed these days and is considered to be "genetic" did not exist prior to the advent of Parvo and the Parvo vaccine, (Parvo itself is thought to be a man-made disease - yet to be proven though). HOD has also been scientifically proven to be caused by the Distemper vaccine. The same is true of the Distemper and Rabies vaccine being the cause of idiopathic epilepsy. Rabies itself has been linked by Dr Dodds to so many other health and behavioural complaints, the list is long and depressing. Bloat has not been erradicated because all studies being done are done on kibble fed dogs - interestingly bloat is a new complaint associated with the advent of kibble itself. Cancer is caused by environmental poisons as well as vaccines. Auto immune diseases are caused by vaccines. The list of proven links between vaccines and diseases keeps growing and even the allopaths are starting to waver
All these things may or may not have some truth to it..but you have to weigh up the options... just like in human vaccines.... the safety of the majority has to come first.

As we dont have a problem with rabies or heart worm here , we have no need to vaccine against it... but if we did.. you bet I would in a heart beat.

You have your opinions, you are entitled to them..but to dictate to the rest of us, that we are wrong.... you are not entitled to.
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Old 03-02-2009, 08:20 AM   #92
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The title of this thread is:

How to breed a mix/cross responsibly?
Please post in the spirit in which OP intended and do not hijack the thread for the purpose of discussing raw feeding vs kibble, vaccinations, or purebred health. If you want to discuss something completely different from what OP intended, start a new thread. As a reminder of the topic of discussion I am re-posting OP's opening post:

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How is it possible to breed crosses responsibly, pedigree breeders are often reluctant to let their dogs/puppies be used with other breeds so how are people who seriously want to breed crosses, whatever the reason, supposed to find good quality, healthy dogs with known linage to breed from? Why are breeders so against their dogs being used with another breed? Is it possible to breed crosses responsibly?
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How is it possible to breed crosses responsibly, pedigree breeders are often reluctant to let their dogs/puppies be used with other breeds so how are people who seriously want to breed crosses, whatever the reason, supposed to find good quality, healthy dogs with known linage to breed from? Why are breeders so against their dogs being used with another breed? Is it possible to breed crosses responsibly?
just caught up with this thread

a quick answer "r e; breeders reluctant to let their pedigree dogs be used" . is Breed Club ethics.
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It is strange that there is a certain snobbery involved in dog breeding regarding the purpose of the breeds. For example, I recently read an article about wolf type dogs (NI, utagonan?,tamaskan, husky), and it seems as if the fact they are being breed by police, other emergency services lends them a level of respectability. To breed a cross purely for pet purposes, especially if its small and fluffy, seems frowned upon.
Do you think this is true?, I mean how many wolfy type dogs do we actually need anyway??
Who decides the dogs you are crossing would be a viable new breed?

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It is strange that there is a certain snobbery involved in dog breeding regarding the purpose of the breeds. For example, I recently read an article about wolf type dogs (NI, utagonan?,tamaskan, husky), and it seems as if the fact they are being breed by police, other emergency services lends them a level of respectability. To breed a cross purely for pet purposes, especially if its small and fluffy, seems frowned upon.
Do you think this is true?, I mean how many wolfy type dogs do we actually need anyway??
Who decides the dogs you are crossing would be a viable new breed?
Whether or not a breed can be accepted as a new breed is determined by the amount of time and effort a breeder or breeders has put into developing that breed.

In other words someone can't just cross two breeds and apply for recognition once the litter is born.

The breeders would need to have a plan in mind for the type of dog they want it to be. After at least 10 generations of breeding the best examples to the best examples; a breed club will have been formed to prove there is enough interest in the new breed. Then a standard will be written and presented to the (legitimate) registry along with complete records of all dogs involved, including photographs, from the date of the very first breeding.

As an example; the volume breeders and byb popping out first generation labradoodles will never be recognized. The original Australian labradoodle might be recognized some day.
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It is strange that there is a certain snobbery involved in dog breeding regarding the purpose of the breeds. For example, I recently read an article about wolf type dogs (NI, utagonan?,tamaskan, husky), and it seems as if the fact they are being breed by police, other emergency services lends them a level of respectability. To breed a cross purely for pet purposes, especially if its small and fluffy, seems frowned upon.
Do you think this is true?, I mean how many wolfy type dogs do we actually need anyway??
Who decides the dogs you are crossing would be a viable new breed?
Would be interested to read this article where the police are using these xcrossbreeds.

There is much controversy with these dogs, one being health.../temperament issues.. along with all the break away groups disagreeing with each other..burying the origins of the parentage in secrecy...

Epilepsy is a huge issue with these dogs, along with almost every other ailment going.. temperaments can vary immensely depending on the breeding , which is difficult to access at the best of time as the pedigrees of some of these dogs are suspect to say the least.

It would be very interesting to see what jobs the police are using them for..!!

P.S .... I am talking about the NI, utagonan?, not the Husky , as that is a recognized breed
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Sorry, I cant remember which mag it was, defo a dog one tho!!
The one I distinctly remember was Czech (?spelling) border patrols breeding Tamaskan wolf dogs to patrol. I mean they looked beautiful but I couldnt see why they would be so much better then any other protection type dog.

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