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barbiespoodle · 02-10-2009, 08:32 AM

This question comes from a side conversation on another thread. In that thread I asked what a longdog and lurcher were since they are not terms used in the states. From that, I was asked if here in the states there were some breeds that were crossed to perform certain jobs. I couldn't answer because I didn't know, but I figure there has to be.

So anyone here know of breed crosses for certain jobs? Not just here in the states, anywhere this forum reaches. I think it would be an interesting lesson.

This is an interesting link since it does talk about some crosses as well as breeds not known in all countries.

Click here: Dog Breeds

Chaz · 02-10-2009, 10:03 AM

I like this thread and the link

I was just reading about the staghound from your link, there is someone elsewhere where I use to go who has some, he says that they are line bred Deerhound X Greyhound, with some Bull blood, they are amazing looking dogs not that I am baised

I also like the sound of the Black mouth Cur I just wish that there was photos of them for that one. I will be going through it at greater length later

We also have Sproker spaniels here that are used for gun dogs, they are great little dogs, there was one that was a worker where I use to go to college, her owner said that she was the best of both breeds, and was a bit calmer then a springer, but worked well in the field to, and she was her owners first cross breed dog, as they had only Springers before, but they only want a Sproker from now on

sheplovr · 02-10-2009, 12:10 PM

Alot of our good purebreds have been crossed by 2 or 3 different breeds just to make a good AKC bred dog.

There are so many breeds now registered as purebreds, I feel we no longer need to start to cross this and that just for something needed to be done when a certain breed can do it. We cannot own one of each, but I think the BYB should just stop crossing some of the ones they are doing and continue breeding well bred healthy dogs rather than messing with lines of others to make a freak?

Most of them are just that, not worth what the price they ask for. I feel sorry for the dogs bred just to make money because they are different. It seems actually cruel to me to even bother. Lets just stick with the many many purebred dogs and use them for what they are bred to do. We have plenty of choices not to mention I have had many mixex that pulled out toboggan sleds with the kids playing in the snow, we have a small hill on front of property they spent hours playing when small. Either the dogs pulled them or a pony if they had one available.

boxerpups · 02-10-2009, 12:58 PM

I think what Shep says is very true... all our breeds have come about by crossing breeds together.

And I also agree in this day and age we do not need to have any new breeds to perform a job, as we already have a breed for every job necessary

JRT and Lurchers are although not recognized breeds have been around for so long they are expected as type and have a purpose.. although even there , there will be equally pure bred dogs that will do the job just as well.

The Sprocker fro instance, I see no other reason for them other than , they fetch more money than marketing them as xbreeds.

If you want a small gundog there are enough breeds to suit your job... the Sringer and Cocker both have working strains ..so what purpose does crossing them do

Most Sprockers I have seen look like working springer's... and not forgetting the health implactions of crossing two such different breeds... and I have yet to meet a calm one.

Chaz · 02-10-2009, 01:17 PM

You haven't met widge

the most lovely dog ever, very soppy, and bred from a working poilce sniffer dog, and a field champion to create a good worker and there are some puppy sprockers being sold for working purposes for £200, I don't see any problem in crossing breeds to see how they will preform, as long as both parents are healthy and health checked, as even though new problems might occur breeders should still make sure that they won't carry any problems known for each breed through to their puppies if possible, and by crossing dogs you might find a new breed that might excel and out perform its pedigree rivals

its a case of you never know until you try, if everyone thought not to cross breeds to see how they go there would be a lot less breeds then there are today

and as long as there are enough people intrested in the cross before its done then I think that its fine.

There is another place that I use to go to learn a lot, and they was crossing some very bazzare lurchers, to try and test, see what works, and what doesn't but people were coming on and gathering opionions of others before the tried, if it looked bad they bred to another dog, and to see if anyone was intrested, and some puppies were booked before the bitch was even in season.

boxerpups · 02-10-2009, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Chaz

You haven't met widge

the most lovely dog ever, very soppy, and bred from a working poilce sniffer dog, and a field champion to create a good worker and there are some puppy sprockers being sold for working purposes for £200, I don't see any problem in crossing breeds to see how they will preform, as long as both parents are healthy and health checked, as even though new problems might occur breeders should still make sure that they won't carry any problems known for each breed through to their puppies if possible, and by crossing dogs you might find a new breed that might excel and out perform its pedigree rivals

its a case of you never know until you try, if everyone thought not to cross breeds to see how they go there would be a lot less breeds then there are today

and as long as there are enough people intrested in the cross before its done then I think that its fine.

There is another place that I use to go to learn a lot, and they was crossing some very bazzare lurchers, to try and test, see what works, and what doesn't but people were coming on and gathering opionions of others before the tried, if it looked bad they bred to another dog, and to see if anyone was intrested, and some puppies were booked before the bitch was even in season.

But what happens to the offsprings of this trial, that dont make the grade..you are just flooding the market with more xbred dogs needing homes...

There will never be enough people who want a xbred type to perform a particular job.. as there is already enough breeds to fill said jobs.

These pups who you have tried to create will end up in homes where the owners may have no idea as to the exercise requirements of their experimental dog...

If someone wants a springer they know what is entailed with a springer, same goes for the Cocker or any breed..but when you xbreed you will have no idea what traits each individual dog will inherit from its parents

Yes all breed have come about be crossing other breeds to gain what you want...but you have to remember when breeds have been created in the past, their will have been stringent codes of ethics involved, and by today's moral standing , this will not be possible to achieve... that is why the labradoodle will never become a recognized breed as there is no uniformity to them... and to gain such uniformity would be totally unethical in to-days world.

So todays crosses for particular jobs will be a melting pot without knowing the outcome..because some will step up to the requirments, but many wont.

Chaz · 02-10-2009, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by boxerpups

But what happens to the offsprings of this trial, that dont make the grade..you are just flooding the market with more xbred dogs needing homes...

There will never be enough people who want a xbred type to perform a particular job.. as there is already enough breeds to fill said jobs.

These pups who you have tried to create will end up in homes where the owners may have no idea as to the exercise requirements of there experimental dog...

If someone wants a springer they know what is entailed with a springer, same goes for the Cocker or any breed..but when you xbreed you will have no idea what traits each individual dogs will inherit from its parents

Yes all breed have come about be crossing other breeds to gain what you want...but you have to remember when breeds have bee created , their will have been stringent codes of ethics involved and by today's views , this will not be possible to achieve... that is why the labradoodle will never become a recognized breed as there is no uniformity to them... and to gain such uniformity would be totally unethical in to-days world.

So todays crosses for particular jobs will be a melting pot without knowing the outcome..because some will step up to the requirments, but many wont.

The offspring that doesn't make the grade is generally back up for sale for pets, or kept as pets, their a few people with pets that the OHs or children have fell in love with lol.

With the code of ethics are you on about culling and inbreeding?

Like I say there is some very wierd and wonderful crosses coming through, I think that the 'real' labradoodle is a lot different to the ones that are flooding the market, and they were bred for good intentions, being a guide dog to allergie sufferers, so I think would be more poodle, but the BYB trade got hold of them, and now they are every where (and driving many people mad with their boundless energy) I think that new crosses should be left up to people who have a great deal of knowledge in what they want the outcome to be, and only select dogs with the right characterists that they want, and keep them away from BYB (which will be impossible with something new

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I also think that I was told somewhere that most guide dogs were lab X Goldie, I will have to look that up, as if they are, or even some of them are that could be of intrest to this thread

Chaz · 02-10-2009, 01:51 PM

Here is a qoute about goldies X Labs.

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Some assistant-dog groups use Golden Retriever / Labrador Retriever hybrids (officially called a Golden Labrador Retriever) as they have found it can produce a dog with a more suitable temperament[44].It is important to use dogs from good stocks since crossbreeds are not immune to such problems and since Golden Retrievers and Labradors have similar health problems.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labrador_Retriever

Its under Significant crossbreeds.

Borzoi mad · 02-11-2009, 06:50 AM

If you want a dog with good temperament get a good old Pedigree Poodle or Lab. or a retriever for an assistance dog and if you want it to be non shedding choose the poodle otherwise you have no gurantee that it will not shed. Guide Dogs gave up on this idea a long time ago as they found that they could not guarantee that they would be non-shedding.

There are def not enough people who want a x-bred puppy for a certain reason to start up a new X breeding and it will only mean more unwanted pups who have not turned out to be what the person breeding them actually wanted. ending up in rescues, and there are enough cross breeds there already. There are also enough different types of pure pedigree dogs to fill someon'e rquiremets in my opinion.

boxerpups · 02-11-2009, 07:55 AM

I think you Will find the "guide dog for the blind" although may use on occasion different or xbreeds.. the Labrador Retriever is still thee most used breed..they have their own breeding programme to ensure they get dogs with predictable sound temperaments.

Taken from their web site

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Our in-depth knowledge of the ancestry of our pedigree dogs allows us to repeat past successes with their progeny. Cross breeding, whilst offering benefits in terms of hybrid vigour, can also introduce unknown elements into

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The offspring that doesn't make the grade is generally back up for sale for pets, or kept as pets, their a few people with pets that the OHs or children have fell in love with lol

.

And sadly that is why we will not see any of these new breeds get recognized...

Because those dogs who are rejected from the breeding programme and sold as pets.. will still be able to be bred from and be advertised under said name of new breed... hence is why we do not see uniformity in any of the doodles and so on....you onlt have to look at the Northern Inuit for examples of this.

It times gone by ,when producing a new breed, you would have strict code to work to... and yes culling and inbreeding would take place as it is the only way to control the development of said new breed.

And with today's moral code this would be frowned on.... so no control will be able to be put in place stopping anyone from breeding their poor quality dog to another poor quality dog...hence the cycle goes no.... no uniformity , no recognized breed.

A Breed has to conform to standard for many many yrs to be recognized by existing bodies.

02-10-2009, 08:32 AM	#1
barbiespoodle Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 588 Rep: 27 Unique Rep: 11	Crossing breeds to perform certain jobs This question comes from a side conversation on another thread. In that thread I asked what a longdog and lurcher were since they are not terms used in the states. From that, I was asked if here in the states there were some breeds that were crossed to perform certain jobs. I couldn't answer because I didn't know, but I figure there has to be. So anyone here know of breed crosses for certain jobs? Not just here in the states, anywhere this forum reaches. I think it would be an interesting lesson. This is an interesting link since it does talk about some crosses as well as breeds not known in all countries. Click here: Dog Breeds __________________ I HAVE BEEN KISSED!! sheplovr...thanks honey "I've got the do you?" "I'm chillin' with the forum! "

02-10-2009, 10:03 AM	#2
Chaz Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: England Posts: 5,931 Blog Entries: 3 Rep: 46 Unique Rep: 20	I like this thread and the link I was just reading about the staghound from your link, there is someone elsewhere where I use to go who has some, he says that they are line bred Deerhound X Greyhound, with some Bull blood, they are amazing looking dogs not that I am baised I also like the sound of the Black mouth Cur I just wish that there was photos of them for that one. I will be going through it at greater length later We also have Sproker spaniels here that are used for gun dogs, they are great little dogs, there was one that was a worker where I use to go to college, her owner said that she was the best of both breeds, and was a bit calmer then a springer, but worked well in the field to, and she was her owners first cross breed dog, as they had only Springers before, but they only want a Sproker from now on __________________ thanks for the sigpic Fede. Don't blame the wrong end of the lead. ''I'm chillin' with the forum! '' I've been fleeced by sheplovr Punch Sept Sept 07 - Aug 08 Your were the best dog that anyone could wish for, I hope that you are enjoying yourself at the bridge. You were the perfect dog in a imperfect world, and I hope that you feel better where you are now, and please forgive me.

02-10-2009, 12:10 PM	#3
sheplovr Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: U.S. Posts: 9,481 Blog Entries: 28 Rep: 230 Unique Rep: 88	Alot of our good purebreds have been crossed by 2 or 3 different breeds just to make a good AKC bred dog. There are so many breeds now registered as purebreds, I feel we no longer need to start to cross this and that just for something needed to be done when a certain breed can do it. We cannot own one of each, but I think the BYB should just stop crossing some of the ones they are doing and continue breeding well bred healthy dogs rather than messing with lines of others to make a freak? Most of them are just that, not worth what the price they ask for. I feel sorry for the dogs bred just to make money because they are different. It seems actually cruel to me to even bother. Lets just stick with the many many purebred dogs and use them for what they are bred to do. We have plenty of choices not to mention I have had many mixex that pulled out toboggan sleds with the kids playing in the snow, we have a small hill on front of property they spent hours playing when small. Either the dogs pulled them or a pony if they had one available. __________________ "Don't make the mistake of treating your dogs like humans, or they'll treat you like dogs." ~PAT~

02-10-2009, 12:58 PM	#4
boxerpups Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 741 Rep: 39 Unique Rep: 14	I think what Shep says is very true... all our breeds have come about by crossing breeds together. And I also agree in this day and age we do not need to have any new breeds to perform a job, as we already have a breed for every job necessary JRT and Lurchers are although not recognized breeds have been around for so long they are expected as type and have a purpose.. although even there , there will be equally pure bred dogs that will do the job just as well. The Sprocker fro instance, I see no other reason for them other than , they fetch more money than marketing them as xbreeds. If you want a small gundog there are enough breeds to suit your job... the Sringer and Cocker both have working strains ..so what purpose does crossing them do Most Sprockers I have seen look like working springer's... and not forgetting the health implactions of crossing two such different breeds... and I have yet to meet a calm one. __________________ Jackie, Millie & Bandit "I've got the do you?" thanks sheplovr ............................................. IF YOU WANT THE BEST SEAT IN THE HOUSE....MOVE THE DOG!!! Last edited by boxerpups; 02-10-2009 at 01:01 PM..

02-10-2009, 01:17 PM	#5
Chaz Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: England Posts: 5,931 Blog Entries: 3 Rep: 46 Unique Rep: 20	You haven't met widge the most lovely dog ever, very soppy, and bred from a working poilce sniffer dog, and a field champion to create a good worker and there are some puppy sprockers being sold for working purposes for £200, I don't see any problem in crossing breeds to see how they will preform, as long as both parents are healthy and health checked, as even though new problems might occur breeders should still make sure that they won't carry any problems known for each breed through to their puppies if possible, and by crossing dogs you might find a new breed that might excel and out perform its pedigree rivals its a case of you never know until you try, if everyone thought not to cross breeds to see how they go there would be a lot less breeds then there are today and as long as there are enough people intrested in the cross before its done then I think that its fine. There is another place that I use to go to learn a lot, and they was crossing some very bazzare lurchers, to try and test, see what works, and what doesn't but people were coming on and gathering opionions of others before the tried, if it looked bad they bred to another dog, and to see if anyone was intrested, and some puppies were booked before the bitch was even in season. __________________ thanks for the sigpic Fede. Don't blame the wrong end of the lead. ''I'm chillin' with the forum! '' I've been fleeced by sheplovr Punch Sept Sept 07 - Aug 08 Your were the best dog that anyone could wish for, I hope that you are enjoying yourself at the bridge. You were the perfect dog in a imperfect world, and I hope that you feel better where you are now, and please forgive me.

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02-11-2009, 06:50 AM	#9
Borzoi mad Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Scotland Posts: 7,596 Rep: 126 Unique Rep: 51	If you want a dog with good temperament get a good old Pedigree Poodle or Lab. or a retriever for an assistance dog and if you want it to be non shedding choose the poodle otherwise you have no gurantee that it will not shed. Guide Dogs gave up on this idea a long time ago as they found that they could not guarantee that they would be non-shedding. There are def not enough people who want a x-bred puppy for a certain reason to start up a new X breeding and it will only mean more unwanted pups who have not turned out to be what the person breeding them actually wanted. ending up in rescues, and there are enough cross breeds there already. There are also enough different types of pure pedigree dogs to fill someon'e rquiremets in my opinion. __________________ My dogs are my Life Ive got the do you. Thanks Sheplovr The picture is of My Two Borzois Pellow and Rye I also had a Golden Oldie named Ludmilla who went to the Bridge on 14.03.07 and my special wee man Brodie who sadly went to the bridge on 22 August 2008 All loved and missed as are all the others who have gone before I still have little Faun my dachshund and last but by no means least Keri the Birman Cat. Borzois are like chocolates one is never enough Last edited by Borzoi mad; 02-11-2009 at 08:01 AM..

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