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**skunkstripe** · 08-07-2007, 08:54 PM

In a nutshell, a "designer" dog is an F1 cross (technical term) between two different breeds. Take say a Beagle and a Cocker Spaniel and breed them, you are rolling the dice as to what the dog will look like. If you then take a Beagle/Cocker mix and breed it to another Beagle / Cocker mix, the offspring could look different from both parents.
A real "breed" will "breed true" that is, you take a male and female and they will look similar, and their offspring will also look like them. There is a bit more to it than that, but that is the essential part.

LiZzY · 08-07-2007, 09:01 PM

Yeah, so any dogs that have parents of a different breed are considered "designer" or "hybrid" dogs.

I actually just found a site that has recognised "hybrid" dogs... it's an American site. It's pretty interesting.

So this Elo would be a "hybrid" wouldn't it? Because it looks like it's not breeding true.

KatzNK9 · 08-07-2007, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by skunkstripe

A real "breed" will "breed true" that is, you take a male and female and they will look similar, and their offspring will also look like them. There is a bit more to it than that, but that is the essential part.

Wow, that's not how I'd define a "real breed" ... I'm going to leave tons of stuff out of the real definition (as I see it); however, my version goes more like this:

It takes lots of development & culling (by means of neuter/spay) unacceptable type & traits from foundation stock. Then, narrowing down the allowed outcrosses until finally dropping them from accepted use once a reasonable gene pool has been developed. Then, on to defining a breed standard & showing in a recognized major association in exhibition only status and working the way up the ladder to final acceptance (which involves a whole lotta work, documentation & details).

I'm over simplifying things to the Nth degree ... but I'd never describe development of a breed in simple terms even in comparison to that of "designer dog".

LiZzY · 08-07-2007, 09:09 PM

So... you're saying they breed out any undesirable traits to make what they consider a perfect specimen?

**skunkstripe** · 08-07-2007, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by skunkstripe

A real "breed" will "breed true" that is, you take a male and female and they will look similar, and their offspring will also look like them. There is a bit more to it than that, but that is the essential part.

Let me add something to it to avoid confusion-this is a necessary but not a sufficient condition. I was trying to keep it very brief.

Doggies4Evers · 08-07-2007, 09:25 PM

yep, people plannly play god to created what they dem as worthy and perfect,
however if a purebred breed, isnt perfect they breed it with another breed to fix the flaw.

Doggies4Evers · 08-07-2007, 09:30 PM

Some of those dogs are soooo pretty, some of them not so much.

kender · 08-08-2007, 01:04 AM

I agree , some of them not so cute... Third from the top is my absolute favorite though; so regal looking!

08-07-2007, 08:54 PM	#11
skunkstripe All American Dog Lover Join Date: May 2006 Location: New England USA Posts: 20,995 Blog Entries: 15 Rep: 359 Unique Rep: 142	In a nutshell, a "designer" dog is an F1 cross (technical term) between two different breeds. Take say a Beagle and a Cocker Spaniel and breed them, you are rolling the dice as to what the dog will look like. If you then take a Beagle/Cocker mix and breed it to another Beagle / Cocker mix, the offspring could look different from both parents. A real "breed" will "breed true" that is, you take a male and female and they will look similar, and their offspring will also look like them. There is a bit more to it than that, but that is the essential part. __________________ Help us Help you! Read and understand the Terms of Service, report offensive posts and Forum Reputation. Helpful Tips - in our FAQ Section and Newbie Guide. Connect with DogForum.org members - Add yourself to the dogforum.net member map.chat with us! Things to do - Start a blog. Be sure to visit the DogForum.net photo gallery Let's see YOU! Use your computer to benefit mankind - join the DogForum.org Folding Team. Thanks Fede for the sigpic! I've been fleeced by Draco!

08-07-2007, 09:01 PM	#12
LiZzY Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Queensland, Aus Posts: 1,220 Rep: 18 Unique Rep: 6	Yeah, so any dogs that have parents of a different breed are considered "designer" or "hybrid" dogs. I actually just found a site that has recognised "hybrid" dogs... it's an American site. It's pretty interesting. So this Elo would be a "hybrid" wouldn't it? Because it looks like it's not breeding true. __________________ ~hailey and knuckles, kickin it in matching sigs~ ~~ Getting Fit With The Forum #002~~ argh! it's getting creepy round here! boo'd by coco-bean, areias, kender, syler & pomeraniancrazy! ~~~~~~~ awww, hugged! thanks lilpantz ~~~~~~~ woot! someone loves me... I've been admired! I RUBY-GIRL (\__/) (='.'=) This is Bunny. Copy and paste Bunny into your (")_(") signature to help him gain world domination

08-07-2007, 09:09 PM	#14
LiZzY Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Queensland, Aus Posts: 1,220 Rep: 18 Unique Rep: 6	So... you're saying they breed out any undesirable traits to make what they consider a perfect specimen? __________________ ~hailey and knuckles, kickin it in matching sigs~ ~~ Getting Fit With The Forum #002~~ argh! it's getting creepy round here! boo'd by coco-bean, areias, kender, syler & pomeraniancrazy! ~~~~~~~ awww, hugged! thanks lilpantz ~~~~~~~ woot! someone loves me... I've been admired! I RUBY-GIRL (\__/) (='.'=) This is Bunny. Copy and paste Bunny into your (")_(") signature to help him gain world domination

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08-07-2007, 09:25 PM	#16
Doggies4Evers Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 543 Rep: 15 Unique Rep: 2	yep, people plannly play god to created what they dem as worthy and perfect, however if a purebred breed, isnt perfect they breed it with another breed to fix the flaw.

08-07-2007, 09:30 PM	#17
Doggies4Evers Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 543 Rep: 15 Unique Rep: 2	Some of those dogs are soooo pretty, some of them not so much.

08-08-2007, 01:04 AM	#18
kender Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 304 Rep: 16 Unique Rep: 3	I agree , some of them not so cute... Third from the top is my absolute favorite though; so regal looking!

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