Bully Whippet: Double-Muscle. - DogForum.net

MoJo · 07-25-2007, 04:30 PM

Following contained information found at:

http://actionnooz.com/ethics/meet-we...double-muscle/

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Many of you may remember an earlier report we covered about the amazing toddler, Liam Hoekstra, with superstrength and superspeed. Just like the buff combination of Superman and his best friend Krypto, it seems the super-kid we reported about may have a pet who can keep up with him. Meet Wendy, the bully Whippet.
Much like young Liam, along with the ridiculously buff Belgian Blue cattle, Wendy has a muscular mutation that results in extremely bulked muscles. This condition is known as myostatin related muscle hypertrophy, or more simply, double-muscle.
Through a two base-pair deletion in the whippet myostatin gene (MSTN), and a subsequent rejection of myostatin by muscle cells, Wendy has very fast muscle growth and repair, at levels where she has quickly grown up to hulking proportions.
The increased muscle mass, along with metabolism and extremely low levels of body fats, can translate to impressive super-feats, including marked increases in speed, agility and power.
As documented by quantitative assay, whippets with this mutation seem to be consistently superior in racing events to their “wild-type” counterparts.
As you may already be thinking, a dog with genetically documented and known super-speed? Clearly this does and will raise major ethical concern in terms of dog breeding, as it may also within humans as we continue to learn and master the workings of our own genome.
Double muscle is still a condition under recent scientific scrutiny and testing, only having been adequately surveyed in humans since the year 2000.
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This is Wendy from Vancouver B.C. Canada:

Wendy beside a normal Whippet

Note, the normal Whippet is a male, while Wendy is female)

Here is another Bully Whippet named MAC at 10 weeks old:

Here is MAC at a Year old:

MAC at 1 1/2 years old:

Here is some VERY interesting Info:

I have also found several other Bully Whippets on forums,(Example is MAC above) where owners have images of their whippet in stages of growth. I one year, they look normal, just a bit heavier, and at a year and a half they are BLAM.. HUGE!

I wish Hayabusa would have been this type of 'mistake' during breeding! LOL.. I would like to have someone joke about how 'scary' she looks then!

Here is more linked information for people who are interested.:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/12/sc...bed8d7&ei=5070

http://genetics.plosjournals.org/arc...030079.eor.pdf

MoJo · 07-25-2007, 04:32 PM

According to the last posted image, my 'Hayabusa' is considered a 'Normal Whippet'. I am assuming that is why she was not allowed to be shown in any events, because she was not the sought after 'fast whippet' shape. I think this is a bunch of Bologna! Messing with genes is wrong, and I do not understand why a 'normal whippet' is considered wrong in form and shape. You would think they would applaud her over the other.

**skunkstripe** · 07-25-2007, 04:48 PM

I was sure this was a hoax but after hunting around the internet this looks like it is for real! Holey Moley!

Those dogs look like they have been taking steroids and working out!

MoJo · 07-25-2007, 04:55 PM

I know!!! LOL My fiance Bjorn always comments on how Hayabusa should become a 'juice monkey' and start working out to look like one of those! But I also read that Bully whippets when found in a litter are almost always put down because they don't want this deformity to be seen by other people. It looks like a breeder tries to hide the fact that such a thing can happen, makes them feel like they aren't as good of a breeder as they thought or something. I think that is VERY upsetting. They are dogs! LET THEM LIVE!

If anyone knows anyone with a Bully Whippet for sale/to give away/to be put down, let me know. VERY INTERESTED (Not for breeding or anything)

They do not get any health issues or anything any worse than usual, but I think they just don't live as long because their heart is trying to keep up with everything. but C'mon.. they are awesome looking!

lovingpaws · 07-25-2007, 05:07 PM

You guys are kidding right. I haven't done research or checked sites, just looking at whats right on the post.

If this is true, forget BSL and banning pit bulls, here's the next generation of fighting dogs

**skunkstripe** · 07-25-2007, 05:52 PM

I'd be curious about their health otherwise. This is not based on any specific knowledge of genetics, more a gut feeling that when Mother Nature comes up with a mutation that bizarre, often something else will be "off".

brunosmom · 07-25-2007, 05:56 PM

I saw this story in another news article but the title was about dogs using steroids....I don't know...picture just doesn't look right to me

lovingpaws · 07-25-2007, 06:24 PM

Well this is not good news. The "bullies" unwanted will be destroyed for sake of speed, and who knows what other breeds will be bred with them for the sake of making stronger bigger dogs to who knows what end.

MoJo · 07-25-2007, 06:45 PM

It has to do with the breeder breeding for speed, yes. They want the dog to end up having two of the same chromosone or something like that. If the dog comes out with two of one chromo, it is fast, BUT.. if it happens to come out with two chromos of the other type.. this is what happens. Believe me- I thought it was fake too. I have researched and researched, but it is true. No steroids or anything else like that.. it is gene mutation. It has happened in a human case, and happens often in Bulls (Cows). It really sickens me though that they get put down because of this. They still have the exact same temperament, etc. They are still the Whippet- just look different and therefore seen as an eye sore that must be gotten rid of to make the breeder look good. Wipe it off the record so that no one ever knows, otherwise some may think something is wrong with their other dogs.

You see a Bully whippet can come out of a litter of other whippets that look normal. . .

KCat · 07-25-2007, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoJo

You see a Bully whippet can come out of a litter of other whippets that look normal. . .

Well, that's genetics. This was one of my favorite areas of study when I was getting my degree. Certain genes only manifest if there are two copies. I haven't done the research on this topic and read the detail about the mutation.

Most mutations are unseen. Many are lethal. Many mutations may carry other health risks though having not researched this topic I don't know. It doesn't *look* good from a health POV but if the dog can live out a happy life then I see no reason to put them down. spay/neuter - yes. But not euthanize.

But this is a "business" that will put Dalmatians down if they have one solid black ear. I'm not slamming all breeders so don't everyone jump on me. The belief that a solid black ear means deafness is not true. It may happen in some cases, but IMO it's an excuse to get rid of a dog that is not "breeding" or "show" quality. Some breeders don't want to be bothered with "pet quality" dogs. When I was researching Dals I found this sickening.

07-25-2007, 04:30 PM	#1
MoJo Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 2,099 Rep: 61 Unique Rep: 23	Bully Whippet: Double-Muscle. Following contained information found at: http://actionnooz.com/ethics/meet-we...double-muscle/ --------------- Many of you may remember an earlier report we covered about the amazing toddler, Liam Hoekstra, with superstrength and superspeed. Just like the buff combination of Superman and his best friend Krypto, it seems the super-kid we reported about may have a pet who can keep up with him. Meet Wendy, the bully Whippet. Much like young Liam, along with the ridiculously buff Belgian Blue cattle, Wendy has a muscular mutation that results in extremely bulked muscles. This condition is known as myostatin related muscle hypertrophy, or more simply, double-muscle. Through a two base-pair deletion in the whippet myostatin gene (MSTN), and a subsequent rejection of myostatin by muscle cells, Wendy has very fast muscle growth and repair, at levels where she has quickly grown up to hulking proportions. The increased muscle mass, along with metabolism and extremely low levels of body fats, can translate to impressive super-feats, including marked increases in speed, agility and power. As documented by quantitative assay, whippets with this mutation seem to be consistently superior in racing events to their “wild-type” counterparts. As you may already be thinking, a dog with genetically documented and known super-speed? Clearly this does and will raise major ethical concern in terms of dog breeding, as it may also within humans as we continue to learn and master the workings of our own genome. Double muscle is still a condition under recent scientific scrutiny and testing, only having been adequately surveyed in humans since the year 2000. ------------------------------ This is Wendy from Vancouver B.C. Canada: Wendy beside a normal WhippetNote, the normal Whippet is a male, while Wendy is female) Here is another Bully Whippet named MAC at 10 weeks old: Here is MAC at a Year old: MAC at 1 1/2 years old: Here is some VERY interesting Info: I have also found several other Bully Whippets on forums,(Example is MAC above) where owners have images of their whippet in stages of growth. I one year, they look normal, just a bit heavier, and at a year and a half they are BLAM.. HUGE! I wish Hayabusa would have been this type of 'mistake' during breeding! LOL.. I would like to have someone joke about how 'scary' she looks then! Here is more linked information for people who are interested.: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/12/sc...bed8d7&ei=5070 http://genetics.plosjournals.org/arc...030079.eor.pdf

07-25-2007, 04:48 PM	#3
skunkstripe All American Dog Lover Join Date: May 2006 Location: New England USA Posts: 20,525 Blog Entries: 10 Rep: 355 Unique Rep: 141	I was sure this was a hoax but after hunting around the internet this looks like it is for real! Holey Moley! Those dogs look like they have been taking steroids and working out! __________________ Help us Help you! Read and understand the Terms of Service, report offensive posts and Forum Reputation. Helpful Tips - in our FAQ Section and Newbie Guide. Connect with DogForum.org members - chat with us! Put yourself on the map. Things to do - Start a blog. Be sure to visit the DogForum.org photo gallery Use your computer to benefit mankind - join the DogForum.org Folding Team. Thanks Fede for the sigpic! I've been fleeced by Draco!

07-25-2007, 05:07 PM	#5
lovingpaws Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: St. Peterburg FL Posts: 1,144 Rep: 55 Unique Rep: 18	You guys are kidding right. I haven't done research or checked sites, just looking at whats right on the post. If this is true, forget BSL and banning pit bulls, here's the next generation of fighting dogs __________________ Trooper has his CGC I've been boo'd ~ Welcome Fall now I've been gobble gobbled, thanks Julia 73 I've been Ho Ho Ho'd Thanks montanagal Food for thought: "Routine farming practices are so abusive that they would warrant felony animal cruelty charges were they done to cats or dogs."

07-25-2007, 05:52 PM	#6
skunkstripe All American Dog Lover Join Date: May 2006 Location: New England USA Posts: 20,525 Blog Entries: 10 Rep: 355 Unique Rep: 141	I'd be curious about their health otherwise. This is not based on any specific knowledge of genetics, more a gut feeling that when Mother Nature comes up with a mutation that bizarre, often something else will be "off". __________________ Help us Help you! Read and understand the Terms of Service, report offensive posts and Forum Reputation. Helpful Tips - in our FAQ Section and Newbie Guide. Connect with DogForum.org members - chat with us! Put yourself on the map. Things to do - Start a blog. Be sure to visit the DogForum.org photo gallery Use your computer to benefit mankind - join the DogForum.org Folding Team. Thanks Fede for the sigpic! I've been fleeced by Draco!

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brunosmom Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: PM... me if you wanna know Posts: 5,908 Rep: 79 Unique Rep: 28	I saw this story in another news article but the title was about dogs using steroids....I don't know...picture just doesn't look right to me __________________ *jAn* *This post is subject to change without notice*

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07-25-2007, 04:32 PM	#2
MoJo Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 2,099 Rep: 61 Unique Rep: 23	According to the last posted image, my 'Hayabusa' is considered a 'Normal Whippet'. I am assuming that is why she was not allowed to be shown in any events, because she was not the sought after 'fast whippet' shape. I think this is a bunch of Bologna! Messing with genes is wrong, and I do not understand why a 'normal whippet' is considered wrong in form and shape. You would think they would applaud her over the other.

07-25-2007, 04:55 PM	#4
MoJo Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 2,099 Rep: 61 Unique Rep: 23	I know!!! LOL My fiance Bjorn always comments on how Hayabusa should become a 'juice monkey' and start working out to look like one of those! But I also read that Bully whippets when found in a litter are almost always put down because they don't want this deformity to be seen by other people. It looks like a breeder tries to hide the fact that such a thing can happen, makes them feel like they aren't as good of a breeder as they thought or something. I think that is VERY upsetting. They are dogs! LET THEM LIVE! If anyone knows anyone with a Bully Whippet for sale/to give away/to be put down, let me know. VERY INTERESTED (Not for breeding or anything) They do not get any health issues or anything any worse than usual, but I think they just don't live as long because their heart is trying to keep up with everything. but C'mon.. they are awesome looking!

07-25-2007, 06:24 PM	#8
lovingpaws Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: St. Peterburg FL Posts: 1,144 Rep: 55 Unique Rep: 18	Well this is not good news. The "bullies" unwanted will be destroyed for sake of speed, and who knows what other breeds will be bred with them for the sake of making stronger bigger dogs to who knows what end. __________________ Trooper has his CGC I've been boo'd ~ Welcome Fall now I've been gobble gobbled, thanks Julia 73 I've been Ho Ho Ho'd Thanks montanagal Food for thought: "Routine farming practices are so abusive that they would warrant felony animal cruelty charges were they done to cats or dogs."

07-25-2007, 06:45 PM	#9
MoJo Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 2,099 Rep: 61 Unique Rep: 23	It has to do with the breeder breeding for speed, yes. They want the dog to end up having two of the same chromosone or something like that. If the dog comes out with two of one chromo, it is fast, BUT.. if it happens to come out with two chromos of the other type.. this is what happens. Believe me- I thought it was fake too. I have researched and researched, but it is true. No steroids or anything else like that.. it is gene mutation. It has happened in a human case, and happens often in Bulls (Cows). It really sickens me though that they get put down because of this. They still have the exact same temperament, etc. They are still the Whippet- just look different and therefore seen as an eye sore that must be gotten rid of to make the breeder look good. Wipe it off the record so that no one ever knows, otherwise some may think something is wrong with their other dogs. You see a Bully whippet can come out of a litter of other whippets that look normal. . .

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