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Old 09-29-2013, 01:45 PM   #1
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Question Heeler/border collie mutts

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Two of our three pups are blue heeler/border collie mixes (at the moment about four months old). THeir parents a are ranching dogs out here in the Desert Southwest.

They are very active, very smart dogs.

I have never had to train a herding dogs before. They aren't quite the dogs we were planning on when we wanted family dog, but you can't fight love.

Looking for training tips on how to keep them from nipping people, mainly.

They have a large fenced in run for when we aren't outside with them, and we have a good plot of land, and the only other animals we have are four indoor cats (which they get along with and play gently with). We take them out and run with them and they have a bunch of chew toys.

Right now we are trying to break them of jumping and nipping when they get excited.

I know these probably aren't the worlds "best" breeds for having small children around since they are nipping/herding dogs, but we want to do our best.

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My Husband and I have always had Collies, which just love to herd. When Harley gets excited and tries to herd, he will try and nip my ankles. All I do is give him a firm no, and redirect him to a toy.

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In terms of jumping just ignore them, as soon as they have four paws on the ground reward them. Whether it is treats or pets as a reward, they do not get attention until four paws on the ground.

In terms of nipping, make sure to have a ton of toys around for them. They are start nipping you during play time or whatever else, stop and ignore them. Once they stop give them attention or a toy. You can also trade with toys for inappropriate things.
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Frodo is the same mix and one of the things I do is to make sure I redirect him when he starts to get fixated on an object. I have seen advice before that you should closely monitor a herding dog around small children and be able to step in at a moments notice to prevent the foot chasing and nipping. They are smart dogs and will learn that you don't want them to nip people's feet.
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They are young and full of vim and vigor. The jumping/nipping is natural to them but they can learn as they are smart dogs. I did not think that the border collies would nip but as you can see by my avatar that I know aussies do.
Sadie jumped a lot when she first found us. She still will on strangers but my wife and I just turn our backs on her or also hold our hands palm out toward her. When she tries to jump up on people she meets, it irritates me when they say,"its ok" and I still make her get down.
I have had some trouble with the nipping but it is very rare, which only makes it harder to teach not to do. When she does, I put my thumbs under collar, pull her face right up to mine and say,"NO", in a very firm and unfriendly voice. She hasn't done it for some time but she did want to rip the UPS man to pieces a few days ago.
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I think you may have half the battle won if your pups are good around cats. Mine is not and I have to separate them in my house. Frodo has a very high prey drive so I have to be very vigilant with him. I even accompany him outside in our fenced in yard when he potties. Frodo used to stare at the guinea pig even. That's another one of those times that I see him get eerily focused and I try to offer a diversion, or if he's just starting to obsessively focus on something I will tell him to leave it, which we practiced early on in his training.
When I had him for not very long, he did nip someone and I had to go through a lengthy and stressful and expensive court case. I'm not saying that to scare you, but just that I was so naive when I first got him and didn't have enough experience to deal with a dog like this. That changed really quickly, but I wish I'd known then what I know now.
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Mr John, Frodo also hates the UPS man and the sound of any truck.
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Cool beans

ignoring them seems to be confusing for them and they sit and stare at me (had my husband spy on them to see what they do)

We have been having quiet time every night before bed, I take them out let them run for an hour then we send quiet time while I sit on the floor with them, no toys, just petting and quiet voices. This is usually when I check them over for cuts, ticks and bites as well as play between their toes, gently tugging ears and tail and general hands on so they don't get upset or nip when someone does it. Seems to be working well, they cry less when we crate at night. Creating is epic for night time, no more messes and they are going outside much better, I love it. Still learning all their "Must GO NOW" activities since all three are different.

Kaylee yips and stares, that is easy
Blue sits and stares at me, a little harder to get since sometimes he's just out of water
Mickey....stands there and watches you, until the others come to watch too, and if you don't do something in a few min, pee on the floor.....he's odd...

I think we lucked out with out stupid deaf cat not being scared of the pups. her beating them up seems to have been the trick for being cat friendly.

They tried to get my old lady (13 year old, over weight cat) to play, she bopped their noses pretty good and they now politely slide up to her and if she doesn't growl they lick her face before running away.

we are doing pretty good on the nipping past few days, they nip I hold mouth shut a few seconds with "NO" then give them a flipchew. after a few times they figured they don't like me holding their mouth so they do it less. I have been a little rougher when they jump at my face though. I have been holding them down by the throat areat (not enough to choke, just enough to hold them still) until they calm down. That is a biggy with me, they can't for any reason jump and nip faces. Had a beagle do that to me and pierce my nose, I don't want them doing that with kids especially but with anyone.

My husband got hurt pretty bad as a kid by a rotti that had his training broken. I feel bad for everyone involved in that. The rotti owner had him trained, but had to leave him with a friend who raised GS and had ended up breaking most of the training the rotti had. So when he saw someone who looked like they would play he jumped onto my husband who was a teen at the time. Husband got tore up on his back pretty good, sadly the dog had to be put down because the owners were moving and couldn't afford to do the rabies testing. it took a while and a very gentle rescue dog to help my husband get over his fear of dogs.

Which is one of the reasons we really want to make sure pups don't grow up jumping and nipping.

thank you all for your replies, we are using them with out pups ^-^

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There are a lot of dog training videos on utube...look at kikopup's and search for dog training/jumping, dog training - nipping and training herding dogs.

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