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Old 09-17-2012, 11:36 PM   #51
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I'm learning a bit here too about not only my aussie but about other herding dogs.
Strange thing is that Sadie hasn't done any nipping when she's excited. The three times its happened,(of which no contact was made on two occassions), was when men,(hasn't happened with a woman?), walk by and ignore her. After they are past she'll turn and try to nip them.
Maybe I should carry a big sign that says, "pay attion to the dog or she'll rip you to shreds".
If any one has tips for training the behavior out of her, I'd like to hear them. The problem is that it happens so seldom but I do watch for people walking by and ignoring her so I can stop it before it happens.
The last time it happened and she did make contact, I took her by the collar and stuck my face up to her face and gave her two or three very firm NOs.
Those firm NOs have worked on other things but I don't want to test it.
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Old 09-18-2012, 01:31 AM   #52
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I'm learning a bit here too about not only my aussie but about other herding dogs.
Strange thing is that Sadie hasn't done any nipping when she's excited. The three times its happened,(of which no contact was made on two occassions), was when men,(hasn't happened with a woman?), walk by and ignore her. After they are past she'll turn and try to nip them.
Maybe I should carry a big sign that says, "pay attion to the dog or she'll rip you to shreds".
If any one has tips for training the behavior out of her, I'd like to hear them. The problem is that it happens so seldom but I do watch for people walking by and ignoring her so I can stop it before it happens.
The last time it happened and she did make contact, I took her by the collar and stuck my face up to her face and gave her two or three very firm NOs.
Those firm NOs have worked on other things but I don't want to test it.
You already do the only thing I can think to suggest you do...Simply keep a good eye on her whenever somebody walks by and ignores her.

There is a way to address it, but it would require a lot of time and some volunteer friends. But if it doesn't happen consistently when somebody walks by ignoring her, I would have to question what her motive is. In other words, is she reacting because somebody is walking by her without acknowledging her? Is that human behavior the trigger? Or is it something else? Like you mentioned, the three times it's happened have been men. Did they have something else in common? Have you had women walk by her while ignoring her without her reacting? A kid? Somebody on skates? Were those three instances because the humans were uncomfortably close to her?

Otherwise my solution would be that you need a band of volunteers to volunteer to walk by her ignoring her. They'd need to start at a distance she's comfortable with and won't react to. Then you can distract her if she notices, and reward her when they walk by with no reaction. Gradually increase the distance between the paths of your walkers and Sadie. Keep doing the same, call her name, have her do a command to reward etc. When they're past, rewards for ignoring. Using volunteers gives you a controlled environment, which gives you a leg up when you're in the situation with a stranger. I would say use friends at first, but you may want to employ the help of a stranger volunteer or a friend that Sadie isn't familiar with. Eventually she should become desensitized.
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Old 09-18-2012, 01:43 AM   #53
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Thank you, Sugar but I can't quite envision putting a sign up on the bulletin board asking for volunteers to help stop my dog from nipping though may be a few masochists around.
My friends are scattered all over the area and getting a bunch toghether would be a headache. I'll just have to watch her closely, which I already do.
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Does your dog have a possible fear of men? Frodo seems to be more apt to nip at large men than any other person, and it resembles him herding something, especially if there's movement. I have been recognizing when he's going to do that and redirecting his energy. I haven't had to correct him for that in a while.
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Well, just prepare yourself for a dog that's always 2 steps ahead of you during training sessions :P I swear my BC has a sense of humor and gets the zoomies when he fools me and I figure it out.

If they can find a short cut in training, they'll take it. You can use this to your advantage sometimes. But other times it can be a pain in the butt. I had trouble with something as simple as trying to get him to perform commands in sequence. I'd ask for something like, sit-circle-down...He knew all three. So I'd ask for them in sequence and he does it fine and I reward. But then, because I rewarded the sequence rather than the individual behaviors, he then would assume I wanted some combination EVERY TIME I asked for just one. I'd have him sit and with no further cues, he'd circle and lay down. Not good if you just want the dog to sit!!

I went back to rewarding each behavior individually and fixed it. I had to be a lot more obvious and consistent with blatantly ignoring behaviors I didn't ask for and making him wait and stay focused to either hear a second command or be rewarded. No jumping to conclusions! But I don't know if there's a better way yet. I'm imagining putting him on an agility field and him just going nuts going through ALL the obstacles haha.

And keep in mind he picks all this up VERY quickly. Just a couple clicks, sometimes just one.

Wow. I just had an A-HA moment! That explains a few things!
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I do remember now that it did happen with a woman once.
I'm sure it is 'the herding instinct' and I think I recognize when it might occur but I also know I have to keep on my toes.
She has shown some discomfort with some men but not all. I haven't figured out what the difference is except for one person in town that only has one leg and gets around on crutches. She is afraid of him when he's on the crutches but when he sits down, she's fine with him.
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Mr John -- When I was teaching Oats to be braver, I always walked with a friend or family member (so one could focus on the dog and one can pay attention to people coming). If we saw people coming and wanting to pet him, we said, "He doesn't like to be pet, but he loves to perform tricks." And he would show them his favorite tricks, which was always a crowd pleaser. He's a lot braver, but we still tell people to keep their hands low and slow, don't reach for his head, but pet his chest, and he's very calm. Elderly people love him because he's so calm, soft, and sweet.

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