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Old 10-03-2008, 04:43 PM   #1
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Hello,

This is my first post on this site. I am aware by posting this I may get some flack as I am a hunter but here goes...

My wife and kids want a dog...so if I am going to get a dog I figure I might as well get a hunting dog. I don't hunt waterfowl so I'm not really interested in a retriever. I'm not much into upland birds besides grouse so I don't think a pointer will fit. I mainly hunt blacktails here on rugged northern Vancouver Island, with a moose/mulie trip every couple years. This being said what would you suggest as a possible breed I should look at? Oh....I'm thinking of a single dog, not a couple so not sure if that rules some hounds out or not.

Excerpt from the BC hunting/trapping synopsis:

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The use of dogs is permitted in the hunting of all game, but dogs
must be on a leash when used to hunt deer, elk, moose, mountain
sheep, mountain goat and caribou. Unleashed dogs may be used to
hunt small game, lynx, bobcat, grizzly bear, black bear or cougar. Any
person may train dogs by allowing them, under supervision, to pursue
game birds from August 1 to April 30.

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Hi Wildman and welcome to the forum!
You won't get any flak from me, as we just came out of bow season for turkeys and are headed into deer season.

Honestly if you are not going after birds then I personally don't see what good a dog would do you if you are going for deer. Dogs can be a big help in finding, flushing and retrieving birds, but they are going to be tempted to run after anything like a deer or moose that they smell. The law is a lot different where you are than where I am, but I think a dog could be a big nuisance for deer and moose. Most states in the US have banned using dogs to hunt deer, and around here the warden can shoot your dog for running game.

I guess I don't mean to be discouraging, but somehow I see you out there trying to be quiet while you have a dog lunging on a leash trying to chase whatever it smells. Unless of course you are going for the game that allows unleashed dogs in which case maybe what you want is a Beagle who can tree a lynx or a bobcat. Beagles make great pets, but they do run off following their nose.

So I'll say a Beagle, but keep him leashed when you are out hunting blacktail (otherwise he'll disappear after something and you'll hear him from a couple of miles away barking at whatever he's treed, calling you to come and finish up ) and he may be able to help you if you decide to hunt smaller game.
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I'm in agreement with skunkstripe. Hunting big game animals with a dog on a leash sounds like more trouble than it's worth IMO.

Something else to think about. Hunting dogs aren't born pre-trained. For the first couple of years, much more time goes into actual training than is spent in the field. Training any type of hunting dog takes true dedication and commitment.

Good luck whatever breed you and your wife decide on.
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I'm going to 2nd & 3rd all that has been said.

Large game hunting, from what I've seen, means leave the dog at home.

My dad got a Lab puppy to be his hunting dog. Didn't bother to train her, took her out in the field when she was a little over a year. She doesn't hunt, period. "Dog can't do what you don't train them to" is all I said to him. lol

Can you elaborate any further to help us (me) understand what type of hunting you will be doing with a dog? (I know minimal about hunting, so I truly have no idea what you'd need a dog for)
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weird, I wonder why they are on leash?

In sweden when they hunt elk, the hunting dog is used for making the elk stand to give the hunter a chance to find them, take aim and shoot.

Basically the dog catches up, barks his head off, which puts the elk in defensive mode so he stands still focusing on the dog cause he is prepared to ram him with his horns or kick him (a good dog keeps his distance) so on the leash sounds like it would go against it's cause.

Otherwise I would have recomended norwidgean elkhound they are really good family dogs and hunting companions. However they are made for bark on the moose/elk etc.. so I don't know...

You could use a longline however, that is what they do with the young dogs (while trainin them to keep the distance), the moose wont bother so much with you as with the closer threat so that might work..

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If you want a large hunting dog you couldn't do better than a Scottish Deer Hound or Irish Wolf Hound. They make excellent pets too. We've a number of Deer Hounds around here.

Why would you hunt on a leash though? I'd like to know - I'm not sniping or giving you flack. I see nothing wrong with hunting as long as the hunting is for food to eat and not for some 'brave' person to have as a trophy! But that's just my opinion.

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here is a link about hunting with an Elkhound
http://www.elkhound.net/huntingelkhound.htm
Elkhounds are used to hunt elg two ways, either as a loshund (free running) or as a bandhund (on an 8 to 10 foot leash with harness)

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My Elkhound likes hunting birds. She likes the chase and flushing them out. they make lovely pets, but can be stubborn and shed a lot of hair , they also love to bark. they make great hunting dogs though .
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I'd guess that the leash is to prevent the dog from doing what comes naturally, and that is to chase the deer. It's how they were used to help hunt before this was banned. They run the deer, and years ago you listened to the barking to know where they were.

I'm not at all familiar with where training has gone since then, maybe there are dog who are trained to scent deer who can then point or do something that won't scare the deer off (like barking).

I dunno Wildman, I think if you want a buddy out in the woods with you, a Retriever might be a good bet, but I'm not seeing which breed would actually be able to help you.
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