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Old 02-03-2008, 07:09 PM   #21
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You can show them it just might be harder to place. The Am Staff standard says that natural is preferred but that is FAR from true. Cropped is obviously preferred by the judges because it is much harder to finish a natural dog. I really see no reason to crop these shows dog at all. It is just personal preference if you don't want to do it I just wouldn't and still compete. Cropping/docking serve the working dog protection and prevention from injury, but a show dog nothing so if you don't like it don't sweat it. To each his own.

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Old 02-03-2008, 07:28 PM   #22
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I'm afraid I'm not sure what the rules are in America but I would be interested to find out...

Here in the UK it is already illegal to crop and a tail docking ban is coming into force next month. Times are a-changing!
i think you will find that docking became illegal in UK in april 2007. so any dog born since then that has been docked, with the exception of working dogs who have a certificate, will not be allowed to 'show'.
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Eventually the AKC standards will change on this issue for every cropped or docked breed. I would suggest finding a good breeder who is very knowledgeable, experienced and willing to mentor you, with your preferences in mind.

On a related note:
I was completely shocked last night to see the National Championship dog show. I love (American) Cocker Spaniels, particularly the buff. When the ASCOB dog was put up on the table, I about fell off my chair when I realized he has a natural tail. This was the first time I'd seen one on a show dog, let alone a Breed winner. He was stunning. The tail might take a bit to adjust to but...I like it. (I did note the dog was bred in Europe, which explains the presence of the whole tail) All this to say- times are a changin'. I hope the AKC allows both cropped/docked and natural.

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Old 02-04-2008, 11:15 AM   #24
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Eventually the AKC standards will change on this issue for every cropped or docked breed. I would suggest finding a good breeder who is very knowledgeable, experienced and willing to mentor you, with your preferences in mind.

On a related note:
I was completely shocked last night to see the National Championship dog show. I love (American) Cocker Spaniels, particularly the buff. When the ASCOB dog was put up on the table, I about fell off my chair when I realized he has a natural tail. This was the first time I'd seen one on a show dog, let alone a Breed winner. He was stunning. The tail might take a bit to adjust to but...I like it. (I did note the dog was bred in Europe, which explains the presence of the whole tail) All this to say- times are a changin'. I hope the AKC allows both cropped/docked and natural.
glad you liked the look of the cocker with its tail as nature intended!!! ruby has her tail, she was born just before the ban was brought in here in the uk last year...but i asked the breeder not to have her docked. lots of people commented on how 'weired' she looked at first, especially fellow cocker owners...but i would not have her any other way!!!
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glad you liked the look of the cocker with its tail as nature intended!!! ruby has her tail, she was born just before the ban was brought in here in the uk last year...but i asked the breeder not to have her docked. lots of people commented on how 'weired' she looked at first, especially fellow cocker owners...but i would not have her any other way!!!
Haha- I can't say it was EXACTLY as nature intended...it was shaved. It certainly caught my eye either way. I think it speaks volumes that the dog beat all the other ASCOBs entered at such a presitious event. I'm wondering if I will see him again at our Westminster show.

Ruby is lovely. She's a fine example of why owners should be able to choose whether or not they wish to crop or dock. Myself, I have taken a fancy to the very natural Alaskan Malamute. It would be appalling to consider...

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