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Old 06-26-2015, 04:57 PM   #1
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I'm moving in the next year or two, and have been thinking about getting a pup to make my new place feel more like home. I'll be living with my best friend in a good sized apartment with our buisness (a book shop) underneath. I go on hikes, road trips, to parks, lake, etc often but usually lounge around otherwise. I want a big breed with protective instincts, but that is intelligent, happy to lay around with me, but also loves going places in the car and loves going on long hikes, walks, etc. They have to be eager to please, good with children and other animals, have a sweet disposition, and be fairly low maintenance.

After lots of research, I found 8 breeds that I like and that stand out to me the most, but I have concerns with them all. I found the Boxer, the German Shepherd, the Doberman, the Great Dane, the Rottweiler, the Great Pyrenees, the American Pitbull (Blue nose), and the Irish Wolfhound.

The concerns I have with the breeds are:

Boxer
-High energy, lack in protective instincts, Brachycephalic (i'll be living in a hot climate), prolonged puppyhood

German Shepherd
-Coat (amount of shedding & hot climate), tendency to be too aggressive, energy levels

Doberman
-Tendency to be aggressive, tendency to have mind of their own/too intelligent, energy levels, prolonged puppyhood

Great Dane
-Numerous health issues, lack in protective instincts, overall cost

Rottweiler
-Tendency to be aggressive, tendency to be stubborn, shedding

Great Pyrenees
-Coat, tendency to have mind of their own, independent, tendency to be stubborn

Blue Nose Pitbull
-Reputation, not as intelligent as other breeds listed, size (a little small for my liking), chance of aggression, breed restrictions

Irish Wolfhound
-tend to be high maintenance (training wise), sighthound, lack of protective instincts, stubborn

Please let me know if I missed any important concerns on any of the breeds, and let me know what you think would fit me best.

Thank you,

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The only one that can really decide on which breed is best for you, is you. Do you plan on getting from a breeder or a rescue/shelter? There are breed specific rescues out there.

I also want to note that on the American Pit bull terrier(APBT) there is only one kind and nose color does not make a difference or matter(and from my knowledge people trying to sell them by nose colors aren't ones you want to get from because they only care about money and not breeding for stable temperaments or the health of the dog. They use the nose color to try and sell dogs that are "rare" or "special"). Another thing is APBT generally have a high prey drive and can be dog selective/dog aggressive. They can be great dogs, but they aren't one for everyone.

If you plan on getting a dog from a breeder you'll need to do research on the breeders beforehand too- Make sure they are breeding dogs that are breeding quality, are doing genetic testing, breeding stable dogs, not over breeding their dogs, are breeding dogs that are the right age for breeding. Most reputable breeders have a waiting list, so you might not be able to get one right away if you find a good breeder that you like.

If you write a list of what you want from a dog/what you can handle(Shedding amount, energy level, size, etc) and what you can provide(grooming, daily exercise, etc) then you can narrow down your search that way by researching each breed and finding which suits your needs/will suit your lifestyle best. Once you decide on the breed you can go to shows/working events for them to see them in person and talk to others who know and own that specific breed to see if it's really the right fit for you.

You can also go to a shelter or get in contact with your local rescues and let them know what you're looking for and see if they have a fit for you. Not every rescue dog has "issues" and they can be great companions, so I wouldn't overlook them! There are a good amount of purebred in rescues/shelters too(and like I mentioned before, there are some breed specific rescues).

Good luck in your search, I hope you find the right companion!

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The only one that can really decide on which breed is best for you, is you. Do you plan on getting from a breeder or a rescue/shelter? There are breed specific rescues out there.

I also want to note that on the American Pit bull terrier(APBT) there is only one kind and nose color does not make a difference or matter(and from my knowledge people trying to sell them by nose colors aren't ones you want to get from because they only care about money and not breeding for stable temperaments or the health of the dog. They use the nose color to try and sell dogs that are "rare" or "special"). Another thing is APBT generally have a high prey drive and can be dog selective/dog aggressive. They can be great dogs, but they aren't one for everyone.

If you plan on getting a dog from a breeder you'll need to do research on the breeders beforehand too- Make sure they are breeding dogs that are breeding quality, are doing genetic testing, breeding stable dogs, not over breeding their dogs, are breeding dogs that are the right age for breeding. Most reputable breeders have a waiting list, so you might not be able to get one right away if you find a good breeder that you like.

If you write a list of what you want from a dog/what you can handle(Shedding amount, energy level, size, etc) and what you can provide(grooming, daily exercise, etc) then you can narrow down your search that way by researching each breed and finding which suits your needs/will suit your lifestyle best. Once you decide on the breed you can go to shows/working events for them to see them in person and talk to others who know and own that specific breed to see if it's really the right fit for you.

You can also go to a shelter or get in contact with your local rescues and let them know what you're looking for and see if they have a fit for you. Not every rescue dog has "issues" and they can be great companions, so I wouldn't overlook them! There are a good amount of purebred in rescues/shelters too(and like I mentioned before, there are some breed specific rescues).

Good luck in your search, I hope you find the right companion!
Yes, I realize I should be choosing, but each breed on the list has advantages and disadvantages and I just wanted a few extra opinions.

With everything but the Pit, I'll probably head to a breeder. There a a few good breeders around me, but I'll ship in from another state if I need to. There are too many Pitbulls in shelters, and fortunately a lot of them have young ones, for me to go and buy a puppy.

And yes, I do realize that, I just like the Blue Nose because I like the way they look and the temperament they have. And yes, I realize that as well, I've had and grown up with a few Pits here and there, I have experience.

That's the thing, is my list is in the main post. A 60lb+ breed who has a sweet yet protective disposition that's fairly low maintenance and can get along well with children and other animals. All the breeds fit that description, so I'm just trying to get some more opinions on which one would fit me best.

Thank you!

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I was just thinking the other day how I have never decided to get a dog. Somehow they always found me, showed up at my doorstep, or was given to me by someone who didn't have the time to commit to it. Somehow I got to be that crazy dog lady everyone knows about. I'm surprised I only have two. Its only by default that one of them is a purbreed, and the other one, a cattle dog/border collie mix, well, I'd like to track down whoever decided to mix those two breeds and wring their scrawny little neck! Just kidding. Sort of.
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When we've rescued, we've sort of limited the size we looked at (about 30 pounds )
Otherwise we just let our hearts pick.
So far we've have had 2 dogs.
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Hi Saraaahhhp Welcome to Df I will add all dogs can be agressive but saying that even Pit Bull types can be succesfully reared so they are not dog/people agressive! Early socialisation is paramount. Shelters often have pups where people have given up on them because they basicaly don't know how to raise them correctly or they try but give up too
quickly on training. And yes some breeds are more stubborn than others
so if you are strong minded you should have no problem with any of the breeds you listed. Take the breed I have a Staffy Bull Terrier boy these can be stubborn but so long as you start as you mean to go on set ground rules and get some good training regimes in place you will be ok
but they are extremely loyal and loving so I persevered and now I have a 9 year old dog that is really obedient yes she still try to push her luck but I am ready for the challenges

As for nose colour (each to their own!) It doesn't bother me but do your research and get one from a reputal breeder, look for both parents of the pups and make sure they are of sound temperant don't buy on line unless you can make a trip to see the parents and the litter 8 weeks or older is the ideal age that pups leave the litter any earier and alarm bells should be ringing and steer well clear check the conditions that the dogs
and pups are living in if they don't look clean and are cramped etc again give these a wide berth! Get the breed that suits you and your needs/life style and good luck let us know how you get on
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I have a Great Pyrenees and a golden retriever, both adopted. In the past 59 years I hae owned English Setters, a couple of Irish Setters, 6 golden retrieers and 2 Pyrenees. Not one has ever been aggressive to humans or other dogs, but some of my goldensw would chase cats.

Pyrs shed, boy do they shed. and they bark, which is what they are suppose to do. They do not require much exercise, about a 30 minute walk each day will work. They are truly couch potatoes. And for their size, they do not eat that much. Moose eats 1 cup of grain free kibble in the morning, and 2 cups at night with about 1/2 cup home made turkey stew in it.

Prys love people and that often makes them failures are livestock guardians. They prefer to be with humans rather than the livestock These often end up in pounds, shelters, rescues. Others guard. Just a couple of weeks ago one of the ladies on the pyr forum I belong to posted a picture of her 3 pyrs that had treed a bear. They are brave and will singly take on a bear, a mountain lion, whatever is threatening what they are suppose to guard. One lady in California was asking about getting a pyr to guard her alpacas andsaid a mountain lion had been doing a lot of damage in her area. She was advised to get two pyrs.

Our Moose was originally found stealing food off a salad bar on the River Walk in San Antonio. He was thought to be a St. Bernard, but as soon as the St. B folks saw him they recognized him for what he is, a badger marked Great Pyrenees and turned him over to the Texas Great Pyrenees Rescue.

He loves kids and Thursday night we had a house full with 5 of them being between 4 and 10 and he lapped up the attention. We take him to Lowes and to Tractor Supply and can hardly get our shopping down because people just have to pet on him, ask questions, etc. He LOVES all that attention. he has shown no aggression towards any dog and I think he doesn't see cats at all.

One thing that struck us. We were on the patio and my hubby pointed a hawk that was some distance away just soaring around. I noticed that Moose was watching it and when it got closer he got up and started barking at it. When it flew off, he laid back down. A few deays later our 15 year old grandson was over and he and I were sitting on the patio and he noticed the hawk--only he didn't know what kind of bird it was--and about that time Moose also saw it and got up and started barking. It kept flying closer to our yard and he got up, ran out in the yard, and stood there looking up, barking away, his back feet throwing dirt and grass. When the hawk flew out of sight, he came back to

We find that odd because we have bird feeders right off the patio and constant stream of small birds and then larger ones like white wing doves, ring neck doves, pigeons, grackles, come and they might as well be air as far as he is concerned. the patio. Gulls fly over head with the noise and we have take him to the beach where gulls were thick and he paid no attention. But that hawk--it got his attention. We can't help but wonder if perhaps before he ended up on the River Walk in down town San Antonio if he had been a guard dog, most likely for chickens and knew hawks were a danger? Just don't know why that hawk had him in protective mode when all the other birds donot.

Another thing, he will bark with other dogs--not at them, with them, like they are carrying on a conversation. He sneaks up on and catches possums, but not hurt one yet. Totally ignores cats. Has never barked at a human. But the other night he almost tore the curtains down on the window facing front and he was in "get out of here before I get you" mode. We couldn't not figure out what in the world would cause this, not even the hawk had him like this. Couple of days later when jerry was walking him on the next street over, one of the ladies that always comes outto see him was talking about a coyote having been in her yard the night before. Made us think maybe he had been here the night before that. Lots of woods around here, little tree lined streets, etc. Heck, few weeks ago there was roadrunner on the street our street dead ends into.

Don't know if this helps with inof on pyrs or not, but there it is. And here is our Moose, now 8 years old. This was taken in Dec. and I love this picture of him. We were getting ready to take him up to the Porch Sing Along Caroling at our church--where hews a smash. Every Sunday still, folks ask about him.

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I have a Great Pyrenees and a golden retriever, both adopted. In the past 59 years I hae owned English Setters, a couple of Irish Setters, 6 golden retrieers and 2 Pyrenees. Not one has ever been aggressive to humans or other dogs, but some of my goldensw would chase cats.

Pyrs shed, boy do they shed. and they bark, which is what they are suppose to do. They do not require much exercise, about a 30 minute walk each day will work. They are truly couch potatoes. And for their size, they do not eat that much. Moose eats 1 cup of grain free kibble in the morning, and 2 cups at night with about 1/2 cup home made turkey stew in it.

Prys love people and that often makes them failures are livestock guardians. They prefer to be with humans rather than the livestock These often end up in pounds, shelters, rescues. Others guard. Just a couple of weeks ago one of the ladies on the pyr forum I belong to posted a picture of her 3 pyrs that had treed a bear. They are brave and will singly take on a bear, a mountain lion, whatever is threatening what they are suppose to guard. One lady in California was asking about getting a pyr to guard her alpacas andsaid a mountain lion had been doing a lot of damage in her area. She was advised to get two pyrs.

Our Moose was originally found stealing food off a salad bar on the River Walk in San Antonio. He was thought to be a St. Bernard, but as soon as the St. B folks saw him they recognized him for what he is, a badger marked Great Pyrenees and turned him over to the Texas Great Pyrenees Rescue.

He loves kids and Thursday night we had a house full with 5 of them being between 4 and 10 and he lapped up the attention. We take him to Lowes and to Tractor Supply and can hardly get our shopping down because people just have to pet on him, ask questions, etc. He LOVES all that attention. he has shown no aggression towards any dog and I think he doesn't see cats at all.

One thing that struck us. We were on the patio and my hubby pointed a hawk that was some distance away just soaring around. I noticed that Moose was watching it and when it got closer he got up and started barking at it. When it flew off, he laid back down. A few deays later our 15 year old grandson was over and he and I were sitting on the patio and he noticed the hawk--only he didn't know what kind of bird it was--and about that time Moose also saw it and got up and started barking. It kept flying closer to our yard and he got up, ran out in the yard, and stood there looking up, barking away, his back feet throwing dirt and grass. When the hawk flew out of sight, he came back to

We find that odd because we have bird feeders right off the patio and constant stream of small birds and then larger ones like white wing doves, ring neck doves, pigeons, grackles, come and they might as well be air as far as he is concerned. the patio. Gulls fly over head with the noise and we have take him to the beach where gulls were thick and he paid no attention. But that hawk--it got his attention. We can't help but wonder if perhaps before he ended up on the River Walk in down town San Antonio if he had been a guard dog, most likely for chickens and knew hawks were a danger? Just don't know why that hawk had him in protective mode when all the other birds donot.

Another thing, he will bark with other dogs--not at them, with them, like they are carrying on a conversation. He sneaks up on and catches possums, but not hurt one yet. Totally ignores cats. Has never barked at a human. But the other night he almost tore the curtains down on the window facing front and he was in "get out of here before I get you" mode. We couldn't not figure out what in the world would cause this, not even the hawk had him like this. Couple of days later when jerry was walking him on the next street over, one of the ladies that always comes outto see him was talking about a coyote having been in her yard the night before. Made us think maybe he had been here the night before that. Lots of woods around here, little tree lined streets, etc. Heck, few weeks ago there was roadrunner on the street our street dead ends into.

Don't know if this helps with inof on pyrs or not, but there it is. And here is our Moose, now 8 years old. This was taken in Dec. and I love this picture of him. We were getting ready to take him up to the Porch Sing Along Caroling at our church--where hews a smash. Every Sunday still, folks ask about him.


He sounds lovely, but it's not exactly what I'm looking for. I'll either be in Phoenix, Arizona or Sacramento (or somewhere close), California, where it is in between 60-100 degrees all year long, and a coat like that would be a big downfall for everyone. Also, it'll be just me and my best friend, both young females in a big, busy city, so I don't want a breed that will only ward off birds, I want something big, intimidating, and loud. Thank you anyways, though, and I'm glad you found a good match for yourself!

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I know it's not on the list you have but have you thought of a Labrador retriever?

While they aren't inditimating looks wise, they are big and they will bark if someone comes on your property(most dogs will bark actually). Which is all you're looking for right? Just an alert dog? But other than not looking intimidating, they seem to be the right fit for what you're looking for(they do shed, but most breeds will shed. Major/deep groomings twice a year and daily brushing should keep the shedding down though)

Most people who are looking for an easy place to rob will avoid a place with any type of dog. And if they don't care and want to rob or hurt someone and are really set on it well...a dog won't stop them no matter how big or intimidating it looks(or acts)

.(which I'm sure you already know but I thought I'd just list it anyway)

My dog is border collie/lab mix and she has a really deep dark that actually makes her sound bigger than she is. A few years ago we had gone to another state to see my brother and stayed in a hotel (brother was living on base at the time. Our hotel was off base) well when I was gone I guess she was barking whenever someone would by the room and when I got back the hotel called me and told me I'd have to leave because they had complaints. We got it worked out to where they just moved us to a quieter part of the hotel where no one would be booked near us for the rest of our stay, but while we were moving to that room one of the people who complained came and he was like "that was the dog that was barking? I thought it was some huge Rottweiler or something."

Most of the labs that come into my work have a similar deep bark.


Anyway, just thought I'd suggest that. But good luck on your search.

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I know it's not on the list you have but have you thought of a Labrador retriever?

While they aren't inditimating looks wise, they are big and they will bark if someone comes on your property(most dogs will bark actually). Which is all you're looking for right? Just an alert dog? But other than not looking intimidating, they seem to be the right fit for what you're looking for(they do shed, but most breeds will shed. Major/deep groomings twice a year and daily brushing should keep the shedding down though)

Most people who are looking for an easy place to rob will avoid a place with any type of dog. And if they don't care and want to rob or hurt someone and are really set on it well...a dog won't stop them no matter how big or intimidating it looks(or acts)

.(which I'm sure you already know but I thought I'd just list it anyway)

My dog is border collie/lab mix and she has a really deep dark that actually makes her sound bigger than she is. A few years ago we had gone to another state to see my brother and stayed in a hotel (brother was living on base at the time. Our hotel was off base) well when I was gone I guess she was barking whenever someone would by the room and when I got back the hotel called me and told me I'd have to leave because they had complaints. We got it worked out to where they just moved us to a quieter part of the hotel where no one would be booked near us for the rest of our stay, but while we were moving to that room one of the people who complained came and he was like "that was the dog that was barking? I thought it was some huge Rottweiler or something."

Most of the labs that come into my work have a similar deep bark.


Anyway, just thought I'd suggest that. But good luck on your search.
I have thought about it, especially because my sister has a Golden who I love to death. He's territorial, and a barker, but he's too timid and too loving to do the job, so I crossed those two off my list.

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