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Old 09-26-2010, 04:07 PM   #1
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So my roomate just moved out with her beagle mix daisy and while I feel my bullmastiff ganon is content for the moment my husband and I have been thinking about getting another dog this winter. We don't want another big dog like ganon but we also need something substantial enough to rouh house with ganon (he's 135 pounds mind you) he is very good with all different types of dogs but he also likes his alone time. Whatever dog we get will most likely be female as Bullmastiffs can be the type that doesn't like thier own sex very well. I'm not worried about ganon being over domenating but I am worried whatever other male dog I might get would try to dominate him and if ganon decided to it wouldn't turn out too good for either of them. I also don't want any dogs with long hair or high energy. I like to nap, ganon likes to nap, we need another napping buddy

Anyway the only breeds I can think of right now that might be good are:

olde English bulldog (designer breed)
English bulldog

I really don't want a mixed breed unless it's designer. Purebred is the best choice for me right now although I don't mind rescuing.

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Can I ask why being "designer" makes a mixed breed ok?

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Can I ask why being "designer" makes a mixed breed ok?
I never said there was anything wrong with mixed breeds I just personally usually don't care for them however, I do tend to like some of the designer breeds like the labradoodle or the olde English bulldog. Recent designer breeds have also been accepted into the akc such as the cane corso. A beautiful mastiff breed. It's a matter of personal prefrence. Don't get me the wrong way. I love all dogs but I also know what I like for me. Some people like mixed breeds and some
don't. That's all.

Labradoodle wouldn't be a good choice for me eaither but when I'm asking for advice I don't want people to say "TRY A MIXED BREED!" because I have no experience with the atributes of most mixed breeds and I need a dog that will work well with ganon. I can't gurentee that with any type of dog but at least with purebred I can research and come pretty close. A lot of designer breeds have also been around for a very very long time trying to make thier mark in the world as a pure breed of dog. This year the cane corso finally did that and olde English bulldogs although still a designer breed have been a favorite of top breeders for hundreds of years now. There is history in a lot of designer breeds and that's what I PERSONALLY am looking for. It's not to be offensive. I have owned many mixed breeds as well. I just know what I want and need right now.

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cane corso is not a designer breed, where did you ever get that information??

CC is an older breed, it's an italian mastiff."The breed was recovered from near extinction through the efforts of enthusiasts in the 1970s"

From wikipedia.. I am not sure how far back it's dating but it's not a designer breed.
I found this info but I am not sure how accurat it is.
1137 AD - The Cane Corso is a rare mastiff breed that originates from Italy. Its origins can be traced back as far as 1137 AD
http://www.google.com/#q=cane+corso+...781b66e30e329a

On top of that designer breeds has no homogentic traits, so you can't really trust them nor their breeders.. its just a fancy tag on a mutt or a mix depending on what generation it is. No offence..

dominance is not really an issue with breeds, genderaggressiion in molosses are more common that I agree upon but it has nothing to do with dominance. There is a book I can recomend dominance fact or fiction, you also have several threads here one by agilityk9 its a lot of interesting reading.
Dominance is a myth

as been having several large rotts, pits, mastiffs etc (rescued and fostered) I can vouch for it being true. I have last time now three girls one 9 year old rottweiler mix, one 5 year old pure rottie, and a 3 year old pittie. A lot of their behaviors I know a lot of people would label dominance but it was notthing but bad behaviors. The pitte was a rescue and the rottie as well with no manners.

I don't think I have seen one designer breed get accepted yet by the AKC I MIGHT be wrong but I don't think I am. But I am not a 100%

Now for breeds, you don't want something hyper, I would agree on bulldog, I would say take the regular bulldog, mye x has the designer old english one, yeah see she is hyper as can be cause she took on the other side of the breeding but the english. She took the Am bulldog side (old english is often cross between am bulldog and english bulldog) depending a little bit from which BYB you getting it. None the less very often the parents are not well taken care off..

I would aim for an appropiate english bulldog breeder and get a good perky specimen from there that would be your best bet.

Shar pei's are often very relaxed too but do require some socialisation, my shar pei/rottie mix is extermly laid back and easy going when it comes to nap time and at age 9 she still give younger dogs a good run for their money.
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I never said there was anything wrong with mixed breeds I just personally usually don't care for them however, I do tend to like some of the designer breeds like the labradoodle or the olde English bulldog. Recent designer breeds have also been accepted into the akc such as the cane corso. A beautiful mastiff breed. It's a matter of personal prefrence. Don't get me the wrong way. I love all dogs but I also know what I like for me. Some people like mixed breeds and some
don't. That's all.

Labradoodle wouldn't be a good choice for me eaither but when I'm asking for advice I don't want people to say "TRY A MIXED BREED!" because I have no experience with the atributes of most mixed breeds and I need a dog that will work well with ganon. I can't gurentee that with any type of dog but at least with purebred I can research and come pretty close. A lot of designer breeds have also been around for a very very long time trying to make thier mark in the world as a pure breed of dog. This year the cane corso finally did that and olde English bulldogs although still a designer breed have been a favorite of top breeders for hundreds of years now. There is history in a lot of designer breeds and that's what I PERSONALLY am looking for. It's not to be offensive. I have owned many mixed breeds as well. I just know what I want and need right now.
I wasn't trying to be mean or anything, I was just curious as to what the "difference" was. It sounds like for what you want, a bull dog would be a good option. What about something like a bull terrier? They seem stocky, but I am sure they aren't calm!

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cane corso is not a designer breed, where did you ever get that information??

CC is an older breed, it's an italian mastiff."The breed was recovered from near extinction through the efforts of enthusiasts in the 1970s"

From wikipedia.. I am not sure how far back it's dating but it's not a designer breed.
I found this info but I am not sure how accurat it is.
1137 AD - The Cane Corso is a rare mastiff breed that originates from Italy. Its origins can be traced back as far as 1137 AD
http://www.google.com/#q=cane+corso+...781b66e30e329a

On top of that designer breeds has no homogentic traits, so you can't really trust them nor their breeders.. its just a fancy tag on a mutt or a mix depending on what generation it is. No offence..

dominance is not really an issue with breeds, genderaggressiion in molosses are more common that I agree upon but it has nothing to do with dominance. There is a book I can recomend dominance fact or fiction, you also have several threads here one by agilityk9 its a lot of interesting reading.
Dominance is a myth

as been having several large rotts, pits, mastiffs etc (rescued and fostered) I can vouch for it being true. I have last time now three girls one 9 year old rottweiler mix, one 5 year old pure rottie, and a 3 year old pittie. A lot of their behaviors I know a lot of people would label dominance but it was notthing but bad behaviors. The pitte was a rescue and the rottie as well with no manners.

I don't think I have seen one designer breed get accepted yet by the AKC I MIGHT be wrong but I don't think I am. But I am not a 100%

Now for breeds, you don't want something hyper, I would agree on bulldog, I would say take the regular bulldog, mye x has the designer old english one, yeah see she is hyper as can be cause she took on the other side of the breeding but the english. She took the Am bulldog side (old english is often cross between am bulldog and english bulldog) depending a little bit from which BYB you getting it. None the less very often the parents are not well taken care off..

I would aim for an appropiate english bulldog breeder and get a good perky specimen from there that would be your best bet.

Shar pei's are often very relaxed too but do require some socialisation, my shar pei/rottie mix is extermly laid back and easy going when it comes to nap time and at age 9 she still give younger dogs a good run for their money.
For one you are right the can corso is a rare breed. I mixed up termenology there. The only reason I picked the plde English bulldog is because I have experience with several of them and they are in no way hyper at all! They can play when they want buy even my lazy mastiff romps once in a while. My point of this thread is not to discuss what everyones opinions of designer breeds is I'm just saying I would MAYBE consider one that has a little history behind it I will not consider a mixed breed at all and pure bred is always a plus for me. No when I say this I'm saying that is what is good for me. It's a decision I've made and I am not saying anything bad about mixed breeds. I love mixed breeds but I don't want one.

If you believe dominance isn't real that's your porogative but I don't need a book to tell me what I know to be true. I worked for a dog daycare for sometime with open room enviroment. I know exactly how a pack acts and yes. There is definatly dominate pack leaders in that kind of situation. A bullmastiff no matter how docile (and I would say mine is very docile) is generally a dominating breed. If you want to see his docile side watch the videos I've posted. He's happy and never would bite anyone BUT! When the cable guy didn't knock on my door and just started walking into my backyard. You shouldve seen him then, stand tall, nose to the air, studying the mans every move. The guy didn't even notice him for awhile (which is another trait of the breed silently stalking) but when he did ganon was ready to protect his turf. I noticed and escorted the guy (not happy at all that he had just leasurly walked in my back yard) out of there and put a lock on the gate. I've also seen him at the dog park when a dog thinks they will man handle him, ganon doesn't just role over and take it (like some more submissive breeds) he dominates the situation and makes them submit. Not in a mean way in a playfully one but non the less I have no idea where you get that dominance isn't real. But to each there own.

I mean even people have dominate and submissive personalities so why wouldn't dogs?

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I wasn't trying to be mean or anything, I was just curious as to what the "difference" was. It sounds like for what you want, a bull dog would be a good option. What about something like a bull terrier? They seem stocky, but I am sure they aren't calm!
Excellent idea my friend! I hadn't thought of that but I love those I may start researching the temperment.

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My position has been - go to any acceptable rescue (in your opinion) whether it's a breed rescue or general rescues (which often have pure bred dogs) and let Ganon get to know a few dogs. It really ought to be partly his decision, IMO. And you'll get a better idea of how they will interact. I don't think choosing a single particular breed will really tell you much about what to expect. There are some gross generalizations that you can expect of course - size for example and *to some extent* activity level. Like, I would recommend against a Dalmatian or Border Collie or Vizsla.

I know you said that Ganon's breed may not get along well male-to-male but I tell ya, a female can be much more pushy than a male so again I'm back to, pick a couple or three breeds that interest you then talk to a breed rescue. The reason I recommend rescue is that breed rescuers know their breeds very well and they know the individual dogs very well and usually they will work with you to make introduction times available to you and to Ganon.

I'm pretty much anti-designer dog so I would never recommend any. It's a personal choice but I don't believe they are any more predictable than any other mix.

I know that if we get a second dog (looking unlikely) it will be, in great part, Ming's decision. He loves the ladies, but not when they bully him. He loves his guy friends and they get along better because among them none of them try to be alpha male. It's little different, IMO, from who we humans choose as our friends. So I wouldn't want to force a situation on Ming that he is uncomfortable with in any way.
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Well we can just agree to disagree on that one then. I have just dealt with dogs who has been labeled dominant treated thereafter and ended up biting their owners meanwhile i have never been bit and god knows I have never once seen a hint of dominance. Dealing with dogs in a daycare group where you have a lot of rude animals, I can see why you "see" what you think is dominance. Once you have truly dealt with real aggression, what you see there would never be the same. But as i said, I think we will just have to agree to disagree.. scienc and research have more to offer than personal experience which can be different for every person and the last 20 years is showing more and more that dominance is a myth. I USED to belive in it so I have done the reading on both sides, used both methods, and I know which one works best.

However to get back on topic, I do like Kc;s idea with letting him help to choose. That is an awesome idea and will give you a good feeling of the dog as well that way it don't matter if it's a purebred or not it comes down to the temper of the dog in total. ganon has nice body language (saw the videos) so I think he can be good help on picking what he likes. I wouldnt bother about pushy females as long as she isnt over the top rude, most males will respect any females any day and be very patient with them and their quirks. Dog males are so much more patient than human males *lol*
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Yeah that actually is a really good idea taking him to rescues to help pick. Plus I might be able to get a pup closer to his age too. Thanks for the advice.

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