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Old 12-22-2009, 01:27 AM   #1
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Angry Dogs 101--Designer 'Breeds'?

Well now, I had a chance to sit down and watch Dogs 101 on Animal Planet and most of the time I find this show to be pretty close to reality... Then I heard the subject of this one and I went ? 'Breeds'? Ummm guys, aside from one, none of the other mutts that were mentioned could go beyond first gen and come close to maintaining their traits, and even that one is iffy! The hybrids listed were of several variety that I have had experience with and it more or less left me glaring at the screen.

Designer dog is defined as the purposeful mating of two purebred dogs. The descriptions of these mixes gave the distinct impression that when you cross breed A with breed B you will invariably get C. Funny--of all the Goldendoodles and Labradoodles and Puggles that I have handled in boarding and daycare NONE of them fit the descriptions given. Before I get jumped and mauled--I have nothing against mixed breeds in general, I am against the designer dog craze and the blind belief that mixed breeds will automatically be healthier than purebreeds regardless of how they are mated just because of genes being mixed. A bad gene inherited is still a bad gene no matter how you look at it.

My experience with many of these designer dogs is that their temperments are rather unstable, grooming often a nightmare due to odd growth patterns in the fur, and major trainability issues. This to me does not lend these 'poorbred' dogs to be good choices. After all, most of the real good quality stock dogs for the pures that would need to be the parent dogs primarily belong to breeders whose interest is in maintaining or bettering their breed, they likely will not stud out to make fancy mutts. So what does that leave? For the most part risky genes, and likely not tested ones as the craze seems to be more about money than health.

It's sad, really. The show had me shaking my head as they made claims to hypoallergenic properties in some of these 'breeds', and certain traits that can be attributed to them. This cannot be rightly claimed when you are crossing a pure of one breed with a pure of another everytime--Darwin's grabbag dogs.
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Old 12-22-2009, 07:22 AM   #2
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I agree 100% . I give a little *pfffft* about every time I read the local classifieds . You get a different mix with a new fancy name almost every week going for 3 to 8 hundred dollars all the while shelters are at capacity ...makes me sick

"After all, most of the real good quality stock dogs for the pures that would need to be the parent dogs primarily belong to breeders whose interest is in maintaining or bettering their breed, they likely will not stud out to make fancy mutts. So what does that leave? For the most part risky genes, and likely not tested ones as the craze seems to be more about money than health."

^^^^ Nothing is more true
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oh I agree with you as well.. I know where you coming from.

Im looking at all these rescues and then I see these puppies when Im surfing CL. Its a nuisance. I wish people would read up more on it than they do. *sighs*
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It is silly how people think they will get their desired traits from a mix.

My sister has a yorkie that is apparently funny and playful, but won't cuddle. She has a Shih tzu who is cuddly. My mom now wants a mix of the two breeds, so she can have a cuddly funny dog... I pointed out that she'd probably end up with a hyper, non playful dog....

It's like all the people who think throwing poodle in the mix will give them a hypoallergenic dog. I say, good luck with that.

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Well, I'm against breeding any animal for any reason except working purpose and these fancy mixes are right up there with purebreds bred for the show ring IMO. It's all the same thing in my mind, it's just fooling around with genetics for asthetic purposes. Hunting dogs should be able to hunt yet the highest percentage of "hunting" dogs with their kennel club titles would have niether clue nor ability if taken out and actually shown a bird or whatever was supposed to be their quarry of choice. Supposed herding dogs that are nothing more than noisy squirrel chasers wear their extravegantly heavy coats, that no sane farmer/rancher would want on thier dog, in thier AKC/CKC (add your own countries kennel club name here) champion photo. Little Italian greyhounds break bones jumping off of sofas, but they've got their title so let's have a litter. German shepherds that have to be put down at the age of five because their hindquarters are destroyed and can't carry themselves anymore, but sad as that is, the owner got a beautiful dog/bitch puppy out of them and they are doing very well in the show ring so what's the big deal? And then there is the English Bulldog - what the heck happened there? Who is the fool who said "wow, a puppy that's head is too big to be born, isn't it cute, let's do that again!!" and that's only the beginning of the problems in this sad deformity they call a breed.

Labradoodles etc are just the new way of doing the same old thing, nothing has changed except the targets for genetic assasination; er, I mean manipulation.

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Well, I'm against breeding any animal for any reason except working purpose and these fancy mixes are right up there with purebreds bred for the show ring IMO. It's all the same thing in my mind, it's just fooling around with genetics for asthetic purposes. Hunting dogs should be able to hunt yet the highest percentage of "hunting" dogs with their kennel club titles would have niether clue nor ability if taken out and actually shown a bird or whatever was supposed to be their quarry of choice. Supposed herding dogs that are nothing more than noisy squirrel chasers wear their extravegantly heavy coats, that no sane farmer/rancher would want on thier dog, in thier AKC/CKC (add your own countries kennel club name here) champion photo. Little Italian greyhounds break bones jumping off of sofas, but they've got their title so let's have a litter. German shepherds that have to be put down at the age of five because their hindquarters are destroyed and can't carry themselves anymore, but sad as that is, the owner got a beautiful dog/bitch puppy out of them and they are doing very well in the show ring so what's the big deal? And then there is the English Bulldog - what the heck happened there? Who is the fool who said "wow, a puppy that's head is too big to be born, isn't it cute, let's do that again!!" and that's only the beginning of the problems in this sad deformity they call a breed.

Labradoodles etc are just the new way of doing the same old thing, nothing has changed except the targets for genetic assasination; er, I mean manipulation.

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I 100% AGREE! Kudos to you for saying it
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What about 'pure breed' mutts?
Just to throw a clinker in the discusion!
I don't care for the back yard breeding either.
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nOmad, I agree with you. Conformation dogs should be able to perform what they were intended to do. I am proud to co-own a Rough Collie who was number 4 in the nation when he championed AND who has passed his herding instinct test evaluation (his lines are very strong). Parker conforms to both form and function... and BTW, that coat that Roughs carry is highly functional, not just appearance. In the kind of climate I live in you would not want them to be thin coated if they were a full fledged working dog.

I support breeding for purpose--health, function, temperment, and form are all important.
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nOmad, I agree with you. Conformation dogs should be able to perform what they were intended to do. I am proud to co-own a Rough Collie who was number 4 in the nation when he championed AND who has passed his herding instinct test evaluation (his lines are very strong). Parker conforms to both form and function... and BTW, that coat that Roughs carry is highly functional, not just appearance. In the kind of climate I live in you would not want them to be thin coated if they were a full fledged working dog.

I support breeding for purpose--health, function, temperment, and form are all important.
lol, I did some training with one of the top sheep dog trialers, trainers and breeders of working border collies in Western Canada and none of her dogs carry the coats you see in the show ring. In fact if you research working border collies in Canada you'll find that very few of the dogs owned by real farmers who really work livestock have such thick "protective coats".

I've been to trials (real trials not Kennel Club trials) and used to be part of a forum that was real sheep and cattle people with real working dogs and most of them will tell you that those big fluffy coats are a nightmare! Not only that, but I have a hard time believing that the shelties I've seen with the coats that quite literally drag on the ground under their bellies are better than a medium coat that doesn't catch every stick, burr and bramble they run past.

Now this is not to be argumentative, but my collie would pass one of those herding instinct tests with flying colours, guarenteed. In actuatlity, while she's good enough at moving well dogged lambs and looks real pretty out there with her head down slinking along behind them like she knows what she's doing, she's a right bomb as a herding dog over all; she has tons of passion and buckets of desire but lacks real talent. (Silly girl starts dropping stock the moment they step out from the main flock.)

While I personally have never been to a herding instinct test (although I've read lots of info on them) I've talked to border collie people who have and they said it was a real joke. One person said that she could have taken other breeds in there who have no herding background at all and get their certificates.

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Anyway, please don't take the above post personally, this happens to be a pet peeve of mine.

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