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Old 12-13-2009, 10:39 PM   #1
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Talking Curse of amateur breeding.

Hello. No, I am not going to debate or bash anyone, but a friend of mine has a golden retriever and I have 2 black labs. All 3 are adorable and well behaved, but something is missing from time to time: intelligence. lol

Sure, there are other causes and sometimes some individuals are not the brightest within their breed. But my friend & I stumbled across this book Choosing the Dog That's Right For You by Sam Stall (very amusing read) and it confirmed what my friend has been saying about her golden retriever "[in talking about the brains of the breed] A well-bred golden is a highly intelligent, trainable animal. However, this breed is so popular that the gene pool has gotten rather shallow in places. Irresponsibly bred animals can be...breathtakingly stupid." (Stall 106) And my friend's golden (lovingly named "Sparky") is in fact "breathtakingly stupid".

As far as my 2 black labs, one (Jiro) is very intelligent as his breed suggests. His brother, Fluffy, is a moron. <3 I got both dogs from my cousin 5 yrs ago (only God knows where he got them) and they surprising have no signs of bad conditions in their behavior or physically.

Sorry about the ramble. My point is, while I can't stop irresponsible breeding, has anyone else felt the effects of having a dog who was irresponsibly bred? This isn't a debate, so please no bashing.

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Old 12-13-2009, 11:29 PM   #2
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I haven't read this book but based upon the reviews, it appears to give very misleading and erroneous information about dog breeds and traits. Though it may be an amusing read, I don't think it has much to offer in terms of breed comparisons or traits.

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Old 12-13-2009, 11:35 PM   #3
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I was going to say - that book by Sam Stall has to be one of the worst books on dogs to have come down the pike in years. I wouldn't really bother with anything in it.

Welcome to the forum by the way!

And to answer your question, I haven't personally felt the effects of a poorly bred dog, but I'm sure that others have.
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Welcome to the forum

Not technically irresponsibly bred, as my collie is from a registered breeder, but she most definitely has inherent issues with her temperament that seem to run in her lines.

She is very nervous, partially nature and partially nurture in the early months of her life when she wasn't properly socialised and guided - but the net result is the same, I have a dog that simply cannot cope with some aspects of 'normal' life.

I don't think she's stupid, far from it, I actually think she's very intelligent but she lacks confidence and sees danger in every scenario.

I have one dog who is most definitely irresponsibly bred - she was bred in a puppy farm, she is partially sighted, has deformed paws and a few other little problems all down to the way she was bred without consideration of health problems and proper care for her mother - but luckily she has one of the nicest temperaments you could hope for... far nicer than some very highly bred cocker spaniels who suffer from temperament problems.

I'm not advocating BYBs at all, but I think there's very few totally responsible breeders out there that truly put health and temperament first. The ones that do are worth their weight in gold.

Sometimes, the dopey dogs make the best pets IMO... they're not going to challenge the average pet owner at every turn!
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My Patterdale came from a non-registered (as the breed is not recognised in the UK) breeder - she is exceptionally bright, but a complete whirlwind of sometimes aggressive energy. She's great fun, and incredibly affectionate, but she is also a killing machine. And isn't fussy what species she attacks. If its small enough and solitary, its fair game. I've posted a picture of her on here somewhere with a little green frog in her mouth........

Personally I think Patterdales should go to working homes - they don't make great pets, unless you can provide an outlet for their predatory instincts. Or you are prepared to keep them tightly controlled, and don't expect them to mix too well.

The book doesn't sound great but it makes for an interesting discussion. Welcome to the forum!

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I agree with Mel. When breeders breed for the show ring, they breed for "showiness" and attitude, which are not necessarily the easiest charicteristics for a pet owner to live with. When BYB's take their Fluffy, who's always been a sweet dog and so good with the kids and hardly ever had expensive vet bills, and breed her to a friend's dog whose owners feel the same, they're doing an unscientific sort of "genetic testing", and can often produce wonderful pets. My first 2 dogs (from pet stores before I heard of the horror of puppy mills) and my 3rd dog from a BYB were all fabulous. Intelligent, healthy and the most wonderful pets. My 4th dog, from a top notch breeder, is intelligent, almost as healthy as the others (her first year and a half has cost me more than theirs combined), and finally at a year and a half, is calming down enough to be within the realm of normalcy. I love her deeply and dearly and I hope that soon I'll love her as completely as I did my other beloved dogs right from the start.
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